Template:Did you know nominations/Bassettia pallida
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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Bassettia pallida
[edit]- ... that the gall wasp Bassettia pallida induces oak trees to form galls, but has its own behavior altered by the chalcid wasp Euderus set? Source: See below
- ALT1:... that the gall wasp Bassettia pallida is affected by a behavior-altering parasite, the chalcid wasp Euderus set? Source: See below
- ALT2:... that the chalcid wasp Euderus set alters the behavior of its host Bassettia pallida, causing it to bore through its gall, plug the hole with its head, and die? Source: See below
- Reviewed: I only have 4 DYK credits so far, this is my 5th nomination so not needed yet.
- Comment: Same source for all the above:
There are many examples of apparent manipulation of host phenotype by parasites, yet few examples of hypermanipulation—where a phenotype-manipulating parasite is itself manipulated by a parasite. Moreover, few studies confirm manipulation is occurring by quantifying whether the host's changed phenotype increases parasite fitness. Here we describe a novel case of hypermanipulation, in which the crypt gall wasp Bassettia pallida (a phenotypic manipulator of its tree host) is manipulated by the parasitoid crypt-keeper wasp Euderus set, and show that the host's changed behaviour increases parasitoid fitness. Bassettia pallida parasitizes sand live oaks and induces the formation of a ‘crypt’ within developing stems. When parasitized by E. set, B. pallida adults excavate an emergence hole in the crypt wall, plug the hole with their head and die.
Created by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC).
This article is new enough and long enough. All three hooks have inline citations for the hook facts, but I suggest that ALT2 is a bit convoluted and has the article name too late in the hook. In fact all the hooks are over-linked, meaning that readers may miss your article altogether, and click on one of the other links. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- The promoter should feel free to un-wikilink any of the terms in the hooks. Perhaps "behavior-altering parasite" doesn't need to be linked.Umimmak (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- Since Euderus set is not part of this nomination, do we have to mention it at all? Could we write:
ALT2a: ... that the gall wasp Bassettia pallida is affected by a behavior-altering parasite which causes it to bore through its gall, plug the hole with its head, and die? Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Since Euderus set is not part of this nomination, do we have to mention it at all? Could we write:
- The promoter should feel free to un-wikilink any of the terms in the hooks. Perhaps "behavior-altering parasite" doesn't need to be linked.Umimmak (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- I suppose that's fine, though someone else would need to review this new hook you've suggested, and I'm not sure how many reviewers are browsing WP:DYKNA. To be honest, I'm not quite sure I see the need for an alternate wording of the hook Cwmhiraeth liked least. Umimmak (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- First of all, I'm just moving words around; I'm not adding any new information, so I can restore the tick when we're done. Secondly, I agree with Cwmhiraeth that there are way too many links in all the hooks, and also that the target article needs to be pushed up front. Thirdly, I don't see anything in Cwmhiraeth's comment about ALT2 being her least favorite. As a non-scientific person, I find the detail at the end of ALT2 more suitable to people like me. But if you want to run with ALT0, I still suggest deleting the name of the other wasp:
- ALT0a: ... that the gall wasp Bassettia pallida induces oak trees to form galls, but has its own behavior altered by a chalcid wasp? -- (frankly, this is not hooky to me) Yoninah (talk) 22:12, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: you can just ping me here instead of writing on my talk page if that's easier for you. If you want to go with either of your alternates, those both work for me. (The interesting thing, imho, about this species is that it's in a system of hypermanipulation; plenty of organisms are affected by behavior-altering parasites, but not many themselves induce a behavior change in a host of their own—hence choosing that for the original hook. However, I'd approve of any of the hooks or either of your alternates and understand that what I find interesting might not be the most broadly interesting to a wide audience.) Umimmak (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- I suppose that's fine, though someone else would need to review this new hook you've suggested, and I'm not sure how many reviewers are browsing WP:DYKNA. To be honest, I'm not quite sure I see the need for an alternate wording of the hook Cwmhiraeth liked least. Umimmak (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
