Template:Did you know nominations/Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts (album)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts (album)
[edit]- ... that the success of the album Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts resulted in the eponymous Canadian band receiving the 1989 Juno Award for Most Promising Group of the Year? Sources: MacInnis, Craig (2 February 1989). "Blue Rodeo leads the field with six Juno nominations". Toronto Star. Retrieved 2 December 2016."Awards". Canadian Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences. Retrieved 2 August 2016.
- ALT1:... that the music video for "Something to Live For", from the album Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts, was described as "simplicity itself"? Source: Goddard, Peter (3 May 1987). "Canadian rock gets a new working class hero". Toronto Star. Retrieved 2 December 2016.
Moved to mainspace by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 20:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC).
- Reviewed: Elektrithone (see my DYK tracker)
While the information in the article is verified in the source, I looked at the article's history and see that it has not been expanded five-folded. I used an online word count and saw that the article initially had around 153 words and it's only been expanded to around 278 on the day it was moved from the sandbox. It needs at least around 765 words or more to meet the fivefold threshold. If I missed something, please let me know. Erick (talk) 22:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
- As you state, the article was moved into main namespace from userspace (see diff). Per the WP:DYKRULES eligibility criteria, point 1, part d, it counts as a new article. Mindmatrix 22:34, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Oops sorry! The wording on the rules was confusing on my part. I thought you simply expanded the article on December 2, 2016. In that case, the hook has been verified in the provided source and the characters in the article meet the requirement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magiciandude (talk • contribs) 22:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Erick, a review is not merely about article size (which is counted in prose characters, not words, for expansions and for new articles) and newness and hook sourcing. You need also to check for neutrality and for close paraphrasing/copyvio/plagiarism, neither of which were mentioned in your review, and confirm that the submitted QPQ has covered all the DYK criteria. Please complete the review below. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:55, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- Regarding the neutrality and close-paragraphing, I can see the article is written from a neutral point of view and the commentaries regarding the subject are referenced in the sources. I have checked the online sources for close paragraphing and haven't noticed any plagiarism. I also accept the offline/paywall sources in good faith. One thing I would ask of the nominator is the cite a source for the release date (or at least the release year). The release is mentioned in the infobox and category, but not cited in the article. I would also italicize the album's title in the hook per MOS:MUSIC. Erick (talk) 13:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- I couldn't find the specific date, but one of the sources I used discusses albums released in the previous months before the (source) article was written (June 1988), ergo it must have been released in 1988. I've also corrected the hook style. Thanks for catching these. Mindmatrix 15:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- No problem! And again, apologies to you and BlueMoonset for misunderstanding the DYK rules. Erick (talk) 15:22, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- I came by with thoughts of promoting this, but there appear to be some issues with sourcing. The hook source is a) a primary source, which is not ideal, and b) does not cover the entire hook, only the fact that they won the award. Vanamonde (talk) 17:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- I assume you're concerned about "the success of the album" fragment. Given that this was a debut album, I don't think there would be any other reason for the award, but I've added an amended version as ALT2. Regarding the source for the awards, sure the Canadian Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences is a primary source for its own awards, but this isn't an article about the award, but an album. At any rate, one of the other sources states all of this. See Barney Bentall started out struggling by Tom Harrison, which states:
Something To Live For seemed an appropriate description of Bentall’s new situation. The first Legendary Hearts album yielded two more hits, eventually earned them a Juno Award for most promising act, led to four more albums as they toured the country and, as a spinoff effect, made them symbols of a Vancouver music industry that hadn’t existed before.
- I've attached this as a ref to the text of the article (see this diff), which I think should address your concern. Mindmatrix 19:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- I couldn't find the specific date, but one of the sources I used discusses albums released in the previous months before the (source) article was written (June 1988), ergo it must have been released in 1988. I've also corrected the hook style. Thanks for catching these. Mindmatrix 15:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- ALT2: "... that following the success of the album Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts, the eponymous Canadian band received the 1989 Juno Award for Most Promising Group of the Year?
