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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 23:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

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Arizona Miner

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Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 00:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Article is new enough, long enough, is neutral and generally well sourced. It relies heavily on the Library of Congress' article on the newspaper, a reliable source, but at times copies too much directly from the article - Earwig's copyvio detector shows the problematic sections. There are also a few direct quotes which do not make clear who is being quoted - it appears the quote is from the cited publication, rather than an individual, so would be better reworded to reduce the concerns about similarity. The hook is interesting and appropriate, but it appears that McCormick was not strictly Secretary of State, but held the equivalent position of Territorial Secretary - this could easily be reworded. QPQ has been completed. Warofdreams talk 12:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Warofdreams, I ran Earwig again with the direct quotes removed and it says "violation unlikely". I don't see anything else of concern - a few sentence fragments here and there.
The second quote "combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others" is from the LOC article and is attributed, by the citation, to the article (not to any individual).
The third quote, within this sentence: Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." are the words of author Lyon and the quote is cited to his book.
The first quote comes from this: "According to William H. Lyon in Those Old Yellow Dog Days: Frontier Journalism in Arizona, 1859-1912, McCormick established the paper as 'the creature of the new territorial government.'" I'm not sure from this if "the creature of the new territorial government" was said by McCormick (maybe) or Lyon (probably). I'm not going to make an assumption. If a reader wants to know more they would have to obtain Lyon's book (which is the citation).
So I don't really see anything that needs to be changed. MB 03:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Your text: "Marion was a "proud Democrat", a heavy drinker with a "combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others". Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." "
The source: "Marion was known for being a proud Democrat, a staunch defender of Arizona, a true "frontier" editor, and his own man; but Marion was also known to be a heavy drinker with a combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others. Lyon made note of this when he wrote that Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." "
This is the biggest example, but there are others. It's easy to accidentally copy too much of the style and order of the original along with appropriately sources quotes, but these definitely need fixing. Warofdreams talk 10:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Keep in mind that content produced by the Library of Congress is in the public domain. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I removed the close paraphrasing. There is now only one excerpted quote from the Library of Congress site.
  • Here is another alt:
  • ALT1: ... that the Arizona Miner, a newspaper published in Prescott, Arizona Territory, changed its political leanings from Republican to Democrat and back again over a succession of owners? Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Warofdreams, Yoninah has done some copy-editing and even proposed a new hook which I like even better. Please see if you can give this the check now. MB 22:17, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you both for your contributions to the article, I'm happy that the issues have been addressed - ALT1 approved. Warofdreams talk 19:28, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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