Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony Kumpen

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Anthony Kumpen

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... that Anthony Kumpen, winner of the 2014 NASCAR Whelen Euro Series season, is the uncle of seventeen-year-old Max Verstappen, who will race for Scuderia Toro Rosso in the 2015 Formula One season?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Carol McNicoll

Created by Fram (talk). Self nominated at 11:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC).

New enough and long enough. The second and third paragraphs under Career are lacking at least one cite each, per DYK rules. Most sources are foreign-language, but I can verify the notability of the subject from the English-language sources, and do not see close paraphrasing. On the talk page, I listed a few more English-language sources which you may want to use. I personally don't find the hook interesting ("A is related to B"), and since the 2015 Formula One season doesn't start for another 3 1/2 months, it doesn't seem so timely. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 01:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Sources added (thanks!). As for the hook: I'ld much rather have a hook like "in 2015, uncle Kumpen will debut in NASCAR while nephew Verstappen will become the youngest F1 driver ever", but while both probably (almost certainly) are true, and a very unusual combination (certainly with both debuting in the same year), it isn't certain, so I can't use that as the hook... If you prefer something like Alt1, be my guest! Fram (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that racing driver Anthony Kumpen, winner of the 2014 NASCAR Whelen Euro Series season, works for a bicycle maker?

Yes, ALT1 is snappier. How about adding one more detail to the link:

ALT2: ~~... that racing driver Anthony Kumpen, winner of the 2014 NASCAR Whelen Euro Series season, works for the largest bicycle manufacturer in Belgium?~~ Yoninah (talk) 11:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Even better! Thanks for your help. Fram (talk) 12:37, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Could another reviewer sign off on the information in the last link in ALT2? Yoninah (talk) 14:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Last place I'd expect to see a superlative. First fact checks out, for the second the translation states it's the largest producer. Personally, I'd prefer ALT1 just to avoid the ambiguity. Fuebaey (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

"Maker" and "manufacturer" are synonyms for "producer". And calling the largest bicycle producer a "bicycle maker" is a little insulting. Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I see your point. I don't think it's insulting though. I would still call Toyota a car maker even though it's the largest car manufaturer in the world.[1] I would still go for ALT1 though because it gives more of a contrast with the first fact, but I'll leave it to the promoter to choose the one they'd prefer. Fuebaey (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, now I see your point. I was so busy focusing on accuracy that I didn't make the connection between "race driver" and "bicycle maker". I agree with you! Striking ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 09:26, 2 December 2014 (UTC)