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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

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Anna Marguerite McCann

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Created by Rhinopias (talk). Self-nominated at 03:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Correct person credited, new enough, big enough and referenced everywhere. no copyvio. This is only the second nomination, so no QPQ needed. For the first hook, it sounds as if there is some publishing going on in deep water. This is not what happened though. So it needs to be rewritten to be less ambiguous. (Though the references does confirm this being the first publication about deep water archaeology). The inline reference does not confirm that she was the first american female underwater archaeologist. However the reference that you have given above does confirm it, but it is not attached to the main or alt1 part about " first american female underwater archaeologist" as well. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Here's an alternative to the original with a source added, Graeme Bartlett:
ALT2:... that Anna Marguerite McCann, the first female American underwater archaeologist, published the first research on shipwrecks found in deep waters?
Sources: 1) Amer. J. Archaeol., top: "was one of the early pioneers in underwater archaeology and was the first American woman in this field." and 2) Edinburgh Companion to Ancient Greece and Rome, p. 145: "the first academic account of deep-water archaeology"
The statement "deep-water archaeology" includes more than just shipwrecks, but I'm struggling to incorporate general "archaeology in deep waters" into the hook. I think the use of the word shipwrecks is catchy though. – Rhinopias (talk) 14:40, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
OK I think this can go through with either alt1 or alte2. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:23, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2 is interesting, but it uses the word "first" twice and "water" twice. Yoninah (talk) 02:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
ALT3:... that Anna Marguerite McCann, the first female American underwater archaeologist, published the earliest research on deep-sea shipwrecks?
  • Yoninah, Graeme Bartlett: the research took place in the ocean so I think using "deep-sea" is appropriate, but it's more specific than the claim in the source. – Rhinopias (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The research was in the Mediterranean Sea, so deep-sea sounds OK. Also good to go with alt3. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:50, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks, @Rhinopias:, ALT3 is much better. But the hook fact and the inline cite in the article seem to indicate that hers was the first research on deep-sea archaeology, and that she discovered shipwrecks as a side effect. Yoninah (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • According to the source that labels it the first deep-water publication, the first publication did involve at least one shipwreck ("Deep water archaeology: a late-Roman ship … "). The work that they conducted involved other things, but if general archaeological work is to be mentioned, then "archaeological" would follow "underwater archaeologist", which seems more jarring to me than the other repeated words.
ALT3a:... that Anna Marguerite McCann, the first female American underwater archaeologist, published the earliest archaeological research conducted in the deep sea?
  • The other source says they used the technology to "explore the deep Mediterranean seabed along an ancient trade route" but also that "the team discovered and surveyed several previously unknown ancient shipwrecks in deep water near Skerki Bank". Using "shipwrecks" is just like using "deep-sea" over "deep-water"; both are accurate, just more specific than the "first" claim that the source makes. Either way, I'm fine with that hook if it satisfactorily matches the inline claim. – Rhinopias (talk) 22:30, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Rhinopias: Is "underwater archaeology" the same as "underwater shipwrecks"? If so, ALT3 is fine. Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I'm confused about your use of "same as", but underwater shipwrecks are studied within underwater archaeology. I suppose the word "archaeological" should technically be added to ALT3 since the source specifies deep-water archaeology, and we don't know that another field hasn't produced literature on deep-water shipwrecks that's not related to archaeology. I think ALT3a comes across as vague and uninteresting when compared to stating that a shipwreck was involved. – Rhinopias (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT3b:... that Anna Marguerite McCann, the first female American underwater archaeologist, published the earliest archaeological research on deep-sea shipwrecks?
  • Oh, I see we're back to ALT3. The hook ref are all verified and cited inline. Restoring tick per Graeme Bartlett's review. Yoninah (talk) 21:46, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
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