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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

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Alan Clark (businessman)

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5x expanded by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - The "second largest" part of the hook is not referenced in the article.
  • Interesting: Yes

QPQ: No - Not done
Overall: Interesting article; hopefully the issue can be cleared up so we can feature this. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:08, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

  • I was previously advised that Earwig's Copyvio Detector had been deprecated for this purpose. Anyway, I've compared the article to the Bloomberg source and can't see any issues. QPQ now done. Source added. Edwardx (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
    Its a tool, just like any other - human judgement is required. And in my judgement, I am uncomfortable with the level of similarity between our article and bloomberg and bdlive. As an example:
Source (bdlive): He recalls being intimidated by Mr Mackay and the large interview panel but was attracted by the "very enquiring" minds at the company.
Our article: Clark remembers being intimidated by Mackay and the large panel but was drawn by their "very enquiring" minds. H
Changing a few words to synonyms is within the definition of close paraphrasing. None-the-less, I will ask a third party to take a look in case I am mistaken. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I agree that the highlighted phrasing is a bit too close, but beyond that there are few problems (just FN5), so this should be fairly easy to fix. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing, now identified by two reviewers, needs to be taken care of. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:47, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I believe the close paraphrasing has been dealt with now. Edwardx (talk) 23:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your work so far, though perhaps a bit more distance would be appropriate - one way to achieve this would be to integrate sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Issues remain unfortunately:
Bloomberg: Dr. Clark practised as a Clinical Psychologist and lectured in psychology at Vista University in South Africa.
Article: Clark practised as a clinical psychologist and lectured in psychology at South Africa's Vista University,
The second paragraph of that section also follows the source quite closely: I appreciate that it is essentially listing his jobs, but it does so in a very similar format to the Bloomberg piece. Harrias talk 08:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I have tweaked the wording further, in one case "before" bringing it closer to the sources than it was (without having seen that source). The top 3 items on Earwig's list pretty much contain the same phrases. I don't think there is an issue here, over and above the natural way to express such lists of promotions. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:04, 25 May 2015 (UTC).
I also provided a citation for SAB miller being the worlds second largest brewery. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC).
  • Okay, thanks for those changes. As you say, and I alluded to previously, with some things there are only so many ways of saying them, so I'm happy with how the article is now. The length and date check out fine, and the hook is appropriately cited inline. Good to go. Harrias talk 20:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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