Template:Did you know nominations/Alan Carvalho

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 12:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Alan Carvalho

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~~... that Brazilian footballer Alan (pictured) expressed his desire to play for Austria national football team?~~

~~2x expanded and sourced (BLP)~~ by Royroydeb (talk). Self nominated at 10:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC).

This is not eligible for the 2x unsourced BLP exception (the article had plenty of references prior to expansion), but the exception is not needed here, since the regular 5x expansion requirement has been met. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

The article does meet the 5x prose expansion, but some of the early biographical material is unsourced, (I have added cn tags) and the first source given in the main text, footballzz, is from a user-compiled wiki. I'd also suggest that the hook is not in idomatic English, it should end "expressed his desire to play for the Austrian national football team". With just a few more sources (even if they are portuguese--which I can read) this should be ready to go. μηδείς (talk) 20:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Comment – articles are titled as such due to the country being a noun and not an adjective in this situation. It is the team of Austria and not the Austrian team, indeed some of their players are not Austrian, nevertheless they do still represent Austria. I hope this clarifies. C 679 21:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Even so, if we accept "Austria national football team" it is still a noun phrase, and being the only such team, needs the before the phrase. Also, if this is a proper name, why is it not capitalised? Even the translation of a proper name is capitalised in English. μηδείς (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Further: looking at our article, it is referred to as "The Austrian national football team" and the German-language article refers to it as Die österreichische Fußballnationalmannschaft which is literally "The Austrian [adj] Footballnationalteam" where "Austria (n.)" would be Österreich, capitalised, and österreichische is an adjective, uncapitalized. We either need to pipe to a proper translation of the German term, or simply use the German name outright. μηδείς (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

No, we don't. National football teams have uniform titles per long-standing consensus at WT:FOOTY. The earlier comment you made about American English is moot as well, since there is no connection with that version of the language here. Since the context is clearly football, suggest the best course of action is to pipe to Austria. C 679 22:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Articles that appear under DYK and otherwise on the front page are supposed to avoid Engvar issues. In any case, I specify American, because I am American; I doubt the British, for example, don't say "the Austrian national football team" (regardless of capitalisation. The article itself uses "The" before the name of the team, and with that not fixed in the hook it is simply unacceptable. μηδείς (talk) 22:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

ALT1: * ... that Brazilian footballer Alan (pictured) expressed his desire to play for Austria?

Assuming @Royroydeb: has no objections, that althook elegantly sidesteps any problems I can see. μηδείς (talk) 02:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The only remaining problem seems to be that his date of birth and other early-life info are sourced to a user-built wiki. I tried googling "alan carvalho transfer' and there were only 19 hits in google news. This German source http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/_trotz-schieber-doppelpack-hertha-hat-zwei-hochkarater-auf-dem-zettel_47372 says he was 25 in Aug 08, 2014. I really have no objection to this nomination, and a lot of work was done. I'll let another reviewer decide whether this can go up as is, or if it needs better sourcing. μηδείς (talk) 20:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

New reviewer requested to check whether sourcing is sufficiently reliable for his date of birth and early life, and to complete this review if possible. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

5x expansion checked, birth date from Guardian News, also Soccerway, only one cite using footballzz, hook cited at sports site in German, AGF google translation, no QPQ needed, first nomination, image appears ok. Zeete (talk) 19:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Replaced Footballzz with Soccerway . RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 07:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)