Template:Did you know nominations/Agriculture in Indonesia

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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 21:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator; close paraphrasing template has been added to article per review here.

Agriculture in Indonesia

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Vast palm oil plantation in Indonesia.

... that Indonesia is the world largest producer of palm oil?

ALT1:... that 49 million Indonesians (41% of labour force) work in agriculture sector?
ALT2:... that the agricultural sector in Indonesia contributed to 14.43 percent of national GDP?
ALT3:... that around 30 percent of Indonesian land area is used for agriculture purposes?
Comment: The article was expanded significantly between 5 to 8 December 2015

5x expanded by Gunkarta (talk). Self-nominated at 07:05, 8 December 2015 (UTC).

Article is new and long enough at 16,385 chars at nomination time on December 5, 2015. It is neutral. and cited inline but paragraph under "History" section, two paragraphs under "Ancient era", first two paragraphs under "Colonial era", first paragraph under "Republic era", paragraph under "Food produces" and paragraph under "Environmental issues" lack refs. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports relative high possibility of copy-vios (44.8%, 39.4%, 29.1%, 28.6%, 26.5% etc.). Hook, I prefer initial one, is accurate formated and interesting. Hook fact ,s cited inline. No QPQ was done. Supposedly, there is no need. The user has two DYKs at his talk page. Image is ©-free, appears in the article and shows up well. Ref and copy-vıo issues need to be addressed. CeeGee 18:57, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your review, greatly appreciated. I've addressed the references and copyvio issues; have included additional references in those paragraphs, plus rephrasing some sentences. Now the "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports are all below 25%, and they are actually quoted references. Gunkarta talk 19:27, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts. However, there are still some issues left: The first two paragraphs of the "Ancient era" section and the first two paragraphs of the "Colonial era" are unreferenced. I guess the copy-vıo issues are addressed with all refs not exceeding a rate of 25%. CeeGee 19:56, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Done adding references, hope that was sufficient. Gunkarta talk 08:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

All ref issues were addressed. Copy-vio rate was decreased to max. 22%. AGF for foreign language refs and sources not accessible by me. Good to go. CeeGee 12:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

@CeeGee: I don't understand your calculations. There is close paraphrasing all the way down to 2%.
Source: Smallholder farmers account for about 85 percent of total rubber estates in Indonesia, implying that government and large private estates play a minor role in the domestic rubber industry.
Article: Smallholder farmers in Indonesia retain for about 85 percent of total rubber estates, which suggests the minor role of government and large private estates in Indonesian rubber industry.
Source: About half of the natural rubber that is absorbed domestically in Indonesia goes to the tire manufacturing industry, followed by rubber gloves, rubber thread, footwear, retread tires, medical gloves, carpets and other tools.
Article: about half of the natural rubber that is absorbed internally goes to the tire manufacturing industry, followed by rubber gloves, rubber thread, footwear, retread tires, medical gloves, rubber carpets and various rubber tools.
Source: although agriculture's share of the country's gross domestic product (GDP) has declined markedly during the last five decades, it still provides income for the majority of Indonesian households today.
Article: Although the share of agriculture sector contribution to the national gross domestic product has declined significantly in the last half century, today it still provides income for the majority of Indonesian households.
Source: The large plantations tend to focus on commodities which are important export products (palm oil and rubber), while the smallhold farmers focus on rice, soybeans, corn, fruits and vegetables.
Article: The large plantations tend to focus on export commodities; such as palm oil and rubber, while the small scale farmers focus on horticultural commodities ... such as rice, soybeans, corn, fruits and vegetables.
Source: Indonesia is a major global key producer of a wide variety of agricultural tropical products
Article: Indonesia is a world's major key producer of a wide variety of agricultural tropical products.
Source: Clearing rainforests for oil palm plantations has destroyed critical habitat for endangered species like rhinos, elephants, tigers and orangutans, which have all been pushed to the verge of extinction.
Article: Clearing rainforests for oil palm plantations has destroyed critical habitat for endangered species like rhinos, elephants, tigers and orangutans, which have all been pushed to the verge of extinction.
Source: Indonesian production focuses predominantly on black tea, though small amounts of green are also produced. Additionally, many varieties grown here aren't well known globally, as much of the Indonesian crop is used in blends; mixed with other teas.
Article: Tea production in Indonesian focused mainly on black tea, although small amounts of green are also produced. Moreover, many Indonesian tea varieties are not well known globally, since much of the Indonesian tea is used in blends; mixed with other teas.
Source: For Indonesian horticulture farmers a problematic situation occurs as the imported horticultural products are often cheaper than the locally-produced horticultural products.
Article: Indonesian horticulture farmers face a problematic situation; the imported horticultural products are often cheaper than the locally produced horticultural products.
Yoninah (talk) 21:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Is there any hint somewhere which rate is the limit? It would help me to be more accurate next time. About the close paraphrasing you may be right. Sometimes it is not easy to judge it is close or not. CeeGee 06:36, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing can be found even in 9% or 4%, as shown by this nomination. The only way to ensure there is no close paraphrasing is to manually check each source side-by-side, using tools such as Earwigs or the WMFLabs Dup Detector (you can find the links to these pages in the toolbox on each DYK nomination). Yoninah (talk) 09:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. My question was not how to detect. I do it the same way you propose. I wanted to know when to judge it as paraphrasing. Because, as I can see at several discussions of DYK-reviews that there is a debate on the existence or absence of such an issue even between experienced editors/reviewers. However, I appreciate indeed your efforts to re-review the noms with high accuracy. Cheers. CeeGee 07:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

So many examples of word-by-word and sentence-by-sentence copying, as in this article, certainly qualifies as close paraphrasing, if not outright copyvio. Yoninah (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

@Gunkarta: what is the likelihood of you being able to resolve the issues raised with the article? Jolly Ω Janner 06:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The thing is, to create an article of broad coverage issues such as this, I did researched the net and tried to construct the story, thus acquiring required data based on statistics, facts and figures at once. I find it is quite inevitable that there would be a close paraphrasing found in it, since it was originally meant as quotation. So I've tried to rephrase it. The Earwig's Copyvio Detector tool used by me and CeeGee shows copy-vıo issues were addressed with all refs not exceeding a rate of 25%. But later, Yoninah seems to adopt a stricter policy and set rules on defining the boundaries between what is copy-vio and what is referenced quotations. And I honestly quite tired with this overtly WP:ANAL approaches. Helpless and unmotivated to do more rephrasing of quoted materials. Actually I had shifted my interest elsewhere, and quite give up on this DYK nomination. Good day. Gunkarta talk 07:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

per Gunkarta. Jolly Ω Janner 07:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)