Template:Did you know nominations/AdventHealth Daytona Beach
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
I know I'm also the one who marked this for closure, but with seemingly no path forward for the nomination and issues remaining unaddressed, closing this per IAR.
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AdventHealth Daytona Beach
- ... that AdventHealth Daytona Beach is the home of the 10th Timmy's Playroom?
- ALT1 : ...that AdventHealth Daytona Beach received a grade A from The Leapfrog Group twenty-five consecutive times in a row?
- ALT2 : ...that AdventHealth Daytona Beach was originally from Ormond Beach?
- Reviewed:
Created by Catfurball (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Catfurball (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC).
This is not intended to be a full review and I have no plans of giving this a full review, but a quick look at the article suggests that this is in need of a copyedit. In addition, the current hook probably does not meet WP:DYKINT as not being likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing. A new hook will be needed here, in any case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Catfurball: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: and @Z1720: I have taken the copy edit issue to WP:COPYEDITORS. Catfurball (talk) 19:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Catfurball, please be aware that the Guild of Copy Editors is taking over three months to complete most requests, and DYK has a two-month limit for a nomination to be approved. Regrettably, unless the article is adequately copyedited in the next month or so (prior to the Guild getting to it), the nomination will not pass. You will also want to address the hook issue now rather than delaying. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Given that the nominator deleted their talk page messages regarding their nomination and has not responded to BM's comment, it appears they are no longer interested in pursuing this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: @BlueMoonset: @Z1720: Do I have to reword my hooks? Catfurball (talk) 19:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pings don't work if you add them after you sign. I can tell you that ALT0/1 is only interesting if you know what Timmy's Playroom/The Leapfrog Group are and being from a particular place isn't unusual or intriguing. (I should say that I haven't yet seen the article.)--Launchballer 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: AdventHealth Daytona Beach is the only hospital in Florida to win an A grade twenty-five consecutive times in row. And it is one of fifteen hospitals in the United States that have done this. Very rare for hospitals to win this many times in a row and most likely they will win another later this year. Catfurball (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- You have to either a) ping and sign in the same edit or b) ping in the edit summary, which is what I did. Again, for that hook to be considered unusual, you need to know what The Leapfrog Group is. Following that link shows me that there are probably about twelve different patient safety organisations in the US.--Launchballer 20:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Please look at this story https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/healthcare/2023/05/03/halifax-health-adventhealth-hospitals-receive-leapfrog-safety-ratings/70179701007/ Catfurball (talk) 21:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Main page readers would not have access to that article before reading the hook.--Launchballer 21:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: It has been added behind the hook, so you get a two in one offer. Catfurball (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will be frank: that hook fact sounds less like a hooky fact and more like an advertisement or otherwise being promotional. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I cannot see this nomination moving forward anytime soon with the seemingly promotional information in the article and two of the proposed hooks also being promotional. ALT2 also does not meet WP:DYKINT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: It not against Wikipedia policy to talk about awards, in fact many good articles talk about awards including four hospital articles Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals. Catfurball (talk) 16:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- In fact I believe that these hospital articles had award sections when they were approved to be good articles. Catfurball (talk) 17:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- And it is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals policy to have an award section in articles, even @Andrew nyr: would agree with me. Catfurball (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even @Sammi Brie: and @HickoryOughtShirt?4: would agree with me, since they approved the hospitals for good articles. Catfurball (talk) 17:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that there is nothing wrong with mentioning the awards in the article. This is going on the main page, on which the hook is the only thing we will be saying about them. To say nothing other than "they won an award from an outfit not even notable enough for an article" is promotional.--Launchballer 20:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
The Leapfrog Group does have an article, but that doesn't change the fact that the hook is not just promotional but also doesn't really meet DYKINT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- The Leapfrog Group has a redirect, but otherwise agreed.--Launchballer 23:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- The issue isn't even necessarily the mentions of the awards in the article, it's the how. The awards can be presented in a neutral and informative tone, rather than being similar to a glorified press release. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Leapfrog Group has a redirect, but otherwise agreed.--Launchballer 23:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that there is nothing wrong with mentioning the awards in the article. This is going on the main page, on which the hook is the only thing we will be saying about them. To say nothing other than "they won an award from an outfit not even notable enough for an article" is promotional.--Launchballer 20:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)