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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

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1976 Anapa mid-air collision

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Memorial to the Yak-40 crew
Memorial to the Yak-40 crew
  • ... that the fuselage of the Yakovlev Yak-40 airliner involved in the 1976 Anapa mid-air collision (memorial pictured) was never recovered?
    Source: "Фюзеляж и пассажиры самолёта Як-40 найдены не были. (The fuselage and passengers of the Yak-40 were not found.)" [1]

Created by PlanespotterA320 (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 15:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC).

  • Size and date check out; article is neutrally written and, AGFing for Russian-language sources, well referenced on a notable topic; what checks that can be made (again Russian/Cyrillic) indicate copyplag is not a problem; QPQ done. I've taken the liberty of changing two words in the hook ("aircraft" to more precise "airliner", "not" to "never" for hookiness), and have added a picture of the memorial (an own-work uploaded to Commons) for the promoter's option. This should be good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:57, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I have pulled this because the sourcing for the hook looks iffy - it seems to be a diving site. Gatoclass (talk) 09:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
  • The sourcing is much better now. But I'm wondering how 46 fatalities on the first plane and 18 fatalities on the second (as in the sources cited in the lead) equals 70 in total? And under "Aircraft involved", in the section "Antonov An-24RV", it quotes a Russian source saying that there were 47 passengers and 5 crew, when the English source in the lead says 41 passengers and 5 crew. Yoninah (talk) 00:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for pointing it out. All sources besides the Aviation safety network and its transclusions state that there were 70 fatalities; 52 from the the Antonov plane (47 passengers+5 crew=52 people) and 18 from the Yakolev plane (14 passengers+4 crew). So there were 52 fatalities on one plane and 18 on the other for a total of 70. Please note that it wasn't unusual for Soviet flights to carry passengers who weren't assigned a seat and were told to stand in the galley or washrooms, or were off-duty Aeroflot employees or their family taking a "jumpseat" without buying a ticket, boarded illegally,etc, leaving the official number of true/official "passengers" lower than the actual number of people onboard that weren't flight crew. (See Aeroflot Flight 964 and Aeroflot Flight 3739 (1976).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 01:13, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your edits, @PlanespotterA320:, but which inline citation verifies the number on each plane now? Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Airdisasters.ru. Both of the website's articles provided the fully tally and breakdown, so it doesn't matter which one is used.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @PlanespotterA320: Where, exactly? I'm looking at the website and not seeing these numbers. Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Just use this one, and click on this link, article titled Столкновение над Черным морем Як-40 и Ан-24РВ [1]I also think the relative location of the collision should be added, because there have been numerous mid-air collisions due to air traffic control error.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @PlanespotterA320: OK. Could you put that source in the article to confirm the passenger totals? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • It's citation number 1, and is used ad the end of the paragraph in the lead, the AN-24, and Yak-40 sections.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:52, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • OK, now I see it, thanks (I had to scroll down some more). Foreign-language ALT1 hook ref AGF and cited inline. I spelled out air traffic controller in the hook because I didn't know what an ATC is. The image is great; hope it can be used. Rest of review per The Bushranger. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah:I think that the DYK should be phrased like this;

ALT2: ... that in 1976, an air traffic controller error caused two aircraft to collide over Anapa in the Soviet Union, killing all 70 people on board both planes (memorial pictured)?Source: airdisaster.ru--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 23:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Agreed. ALT2 looks better. I added a link and made "on board" two words. Yoninah (talk) 00:02, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Столкновение над Черным морем Як-40 и Ан-24РВ". www.airdisaster.ru. Retrieved 2017-12-15.
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