Template:Did you know nominations/1960 U-2 incident
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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St. James Place
[edit]... that currently an untitled Cold War is the film in-production, about James B. Donovan's negotiations with the Soviets for the release of pilot Francis Gary Powers after the 1960's U-2 incident?
5x expanded by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self nominated at 18:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC).
- Actually I'm confused here, what should we write in nom title when the film is currently untitled? --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 19:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- EEng, I think you should take a look here. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 19:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- You rang? Captain Assassin, you slay me! I've been waiting a long time to use that!
- As to the hook itself, let me suggest.
ALT1 ... that an as-yet-untitled cold war thriller, now in production, portrays James B. Donovan's negotiations for the release of Francis Gary Powers, the American pilot shot down over the Soviet Union in the 1960 U-2 spyplane incident?
- Notice I've omitted the separate link to U-2, leaving just the last link you see in ALT1. I think it's too confusing to link the incident and the type of plane, which is linked in the first sentence of the incident article anyway.
- I added spyplane incident for James Bond appeal. Also, change portrays to depicts or centers on or concerns or whatever, as you prefer.
- I don't like the article title untitled Cold War thriller (you have to click the bold link to see what I'm talking about). Presumably it will be changed to a actual title when that's known, but there will be other untitled Cold War thrillers in future, and that will make a redirect mess, so why don't we start out with something unique, like untitled Gary Powers thriller (production begun 2014). (Don't leave a redirect -- unnecessary and confusing to our posterity.)
- EEng (talk) 22:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- We can use title "St. James Place" for the film and DYK nom, because it is the projects name currently they are using for filming. Links here 1 and 2. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 02:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't do moves because I always manage to screw them up, but the article should be moved to St. James Place (better check the punctuation first -- St James's Place etc?) without a redirect (useless) and the links in the hooks above adjusted. DO NOT rename this nom page as (I'm told) that messes up all kinds of things. EEng (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah sure, I understood. I'm going to ask an admin who will do the moves with leaving redirects. And the correct punctuation is St. James Place. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 07:27, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I've moved the article to St. James Place and I proposed the template to an Admin. And we need to rephrase the hook, please mention about working title before film's title, i.e. ... that a working title film St. James Place ... --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 07:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't do moves because I always manage to screw them up, but the article should be moved to St. James Place (better check the punctuation first -- St James's Place etc?) without a redirect (useless) and the links in the hooks above adjusted. DO NOT rename this nom page as (I'm told) that messes up all kinds of things. EEng (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
We've got a hook length problem -- even ALT1 was too long. This is 198 chars:
ALT2 ... that a film provisionally entitled St. James Place portrays negotiations for the release of American pilot Francis Gary Powers, shot down over the Soviet Union in the 1960 U-2 spyplane incident?
EEng (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- It would be more better if we mention the negotiator (James B. Donovan) in the hook. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that the film St. James Place depicts James B. Donovan's negotiations for release of American Francis Gary Powers, shot down over the Soviet Union in the 1960 U-2 spyplane incident? Exactly 200, and it wasn't easy! EEng (talk) 02:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Will work, thanks EEng. The issue about name has already been solved HERE. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 09:32, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- If someone doesn't get to reviewing this soon, the film will be out of production, have won several academy awards, and be included in various "oldies but goodies" retrospective film collections by the time this hook gets to MP. EEng (talk) 16:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm, yeah looks like your saying is going to be true :). --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 10:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- If someone doesn't get to reviewing this soon, the film will be out of production, have won several academy awards, and be included in various "oldies but goodies" retrospective film collections by the time this hook gets to MP. EEng (talk) 16:54, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- Will work, thanks EEng. The issue about name has already been solved HERE. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 09:32, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
The article no longer states that the film's title is undecided so I have tweaked ALT3 and added a reference in the article to the film's name. The article meets the DYK criteria of newness and length. All the facts in the hook are covered by citations, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright problems. A QPQ review does not seem to have been done but I will donate one of mine as this nomination is stale enough as it is. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
