Template:Did you know nominations/1950 Fairfield-Suisun Boeing B-29 crash
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:39, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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1950 Fairfield-Suisun Boeing B-29 crash
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Brigadier General Robert F. Travis
... that 19 people were killed when a Boeing B29 crashed with an Mark 4 nuclear bomb on board?Source: "A US Air Force Boeing B-29-85-BW Superfortress, 44-87651, of the 99th Bomb Squadron, 9th Bomb Group, 9th Bomb Wing, carrying a Mark 4 nuclear bomb, suffered two runaway propellers and landing gear problems on takeoff at Fairfield-Suisun Air Force Base, Fairfield, California. The crew attempted an emergency landing but crashed, causing a huge explosion that killed 19 aboard the plane and on the ground, including mission commander Brigadier General Robert F. Travis." [1]
Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 18 March 2017 (UTC).
- New The article was moved into article space 17 March 2017.
- Length The article is over 6,000 characters in length.
- Within policy The article is neutral in its phrasing, adequately referenced with inline citations, and with no copyright or paraphrasing issues, excepting the usual proper nouns.
- Hook length / format Hook is less than half the number of characters available; emboldened the link myself.
- Content Very interesting article, from air-specialists to the human interest. All portions of the hook are referenced by inline citations. Difficult to abouts focusing on negativity with a topic such as this, but it is approached sensitively and objectively.
- Other To fulfill QPQ obligation, creator has reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Amarte Es un Placer}. No image so requirements are n/a.
...Unlike the B24 ;) this is good to go. — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 09:47, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Travis has been promoted to GA, so I am adding him to the hook:
- ALT1: ... that 19 people, including Brigadier General Robert F. Travis (pictured), were killed when a Boeing B29 crashed with an Mark 4 nuclear bomb on board? Source: "A US Air Force Boeing B-29-85-BW Superfortress, 44-87651, of the 99th Bomb Squadron, 9th Bomb Group, 9th Bomb Wing, carrying a Mark 4 nuclear bomb, suffered two runaway propellers and landing gear problems on takeoff at Fairfield-Suisun Air Force Base, Fairfield, California. The crew attempted an emergency landing but crashed, causing a huge explosion that killed 19 aboard the plane and on the ground, including mission commander Brigadier General Robert F. Travis." [2]
Added a second hook + QPQ + image, so I need another review. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Review of Robert F. Travis: Nominated day of GA review. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. There are a few lines of text describing the crash which also appear in 1950 Fairfield-Suisun Boeing B-29 crash, but the length of this article is more than as 5x long, so that's fine. However, Earwigs is showing quite a bit of close paraphrasing from the Korean War Educator source. His titles and commissions fall under WP:LIMITED, but the other words in the sentence could be changed so it doesn't look like copying:
- Source: From February to May 1934, during the Air Mail scandal, Travis served as the Engineering Inspector for the Eastern Zone of the Army Air Corps Mail Operation (AACMO) based at Floyd Bennett Field, Brooklyn, and Mitchel Field, Long Island, in New York. Upon completion of this assignment, he returned to Langley Field, where he became the Engineering and Armament Officer of the 49th Bombardment Squadron, 2nd Bombardment Group, in December 1934. In March 1935, he was made a Flight Commander in the 49th Bombardment Squadron and, in October 1937, he transferred to the Headquarters Staff of the 2nd Bombardment Group as the Group Intelligence and Armament Officer.
- Article: From February to May 1934, during the Air Mail scandal, Travis served as the engineering inspector for the Eastern Zone of the Army Air Corps Mail Operation (AACMO) based at Floyd Bennett Field, Brooklyn, and Mitchel Field, Long Island, in New York. Upon completion of this assignment, he returned to Langley Field, where he became the engineering and armament officer of the 49th Bombardment Squadron, 2d Bombardment Group, in December 1934. In March 1935, he was made a flight commander in the 49th Bombardment Squadron. By October 1937, he transferred to the headquarters staff of the 2nd Bombardment Group as the group intelligence and armament officer.
- USAF: From February to May 1934, the general served as the engineering inspector for the Eastern Zone of the Air Mail Service conducted by the Army at Floyd Bennett Field, Brooklyn and Mitchel Field, Long Island in New York. Upon completion of this tour of duty, he returned to his duties at Langley Field, Va. He became the engineering and armament officer of the 49th Bombardment Squadron at Langley, in December 1934. In March of 1935, he was named Flight Commander of the 49th Bombardment Squadron. By October 1937, he was transferred to the staff of the 2nd Bombardment Group at Langley and became the armament and intelligence officer.
- Comment: Air Mail; scandal link added in 2009 Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
- USAF: From February to May 1934, the general served as the engineering inspector for the Eastern Zone of the Air Mail Service conducted by the Army at Floyd Bennett Field, Brooklyn and Mitchel Field, Long Island in New York. Upon completion of this tour of duty, he returned to his duties at Langley Field, Va. He became the engineering and armament officer of the 49th Bombardment Squadron at Langley, in December 1934. In March of 1935, he was named Flight Commander of the 49th Bombardment Squadron. By October 1937, he was transferred to the staff of the 2nd Bombardment Group at Langley and became the armament and intelligence officer.
- Source: During this time, he flew 35 missions over enemy-occupied territory, including a mission to destroy the Focke-Wulf AGO Flugzeugwerke fighter plant in Oschersleben, Germany.
- Article: Travis flew 35 missions over enemy-occupied territory, including a mission to destroy the Focke-Wulf AGO Flugzeugwerke fighter plant in Oschersleben, Germany,
- USAF: During this time, he flew 35 missions over enemy occupied territory, to include the mission to destroy the Foch-Wolfe fighter plant in Oeschersleben, Germany.
- Comment: AGO Flugzeugwerke added in 2013 Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
- USAF: During this time, he flew 35 missions over enemy occupied territory, to include the mission to destroy the Foch-Wolfe fighter plant in Oeschersleben, Germany.
- Source: On 17 June 1949, Travis became the Commanding General of the 9th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing at Fairfield-Suisun AFB, CA. He assumed command of the 5th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing on 8 November 1949, commanding both Wings at the base.
- Article: On 17 June 1949, he became the Commanding General of the 9th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing at Fairfield-Suisun Air Force Base, California. He assumed command of the 5th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing on 8 November 1949, commanding both wings at the base.
- USAF: On June 17, 1949, General Travis became the Commanding General of the 9th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing at Fairfield-Suisun AFB, Calif. General Travis assumed command of the 5th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing on Nov. 8, 1949, commanding both wings at the base.
- What happened is that the article, when originally created, was a copy of the PD USAF article. This is noted down the bottom.
This article incorporates public domain material from Brigadier General Robert F. Travis. United States Air Force. I thought that the Korean War Educator article included a copy of the USAF article too. But from your diffs, it looks like it has included the text from the Wikipedia. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK, that makes sense. Now I'll have to figure out how much of the article is public domain, which won't count toward the 1,500-character new requirement per WP:DYK#Eligibility criteria 2.b. I can get to this in another day. Yoninah (talk) 14:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- The 2 February 2017 version (from before I started to improve it) was 5,663 characters "readable prose size"; it is now 8,589 characters, so I have added 2,926 characters; but I didn't think this applied to articles that were nominated because they have passed GA per eligibility criterion 2g: "Articles designated as Good articles within the past seven days, regardless of whether they were expanded, are also eligible" Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:47, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I was very rushed with my last comment as I was about to observe Shabbat. Now I'm back. I just meant that the copied text had to be exceeded by the rest of the text by 5x. You're right, rule 2b. doesn't say anything about GAs, but I don't think we need to worry about it in any case; the public domain text is much less than 1/5 of the article. So Robert F. Travis is good to go, and ALT1 is ready for promotion. Yoninah (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- OK, that makes sense. Now I'll have to figure out how much of the article is public domain, which won't count toward the 1,500-character new requirement per WP:DYK#Eligibility criteria 2.b. I can get to this in another day. Yoninah (talk) 14:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
