Template:Did you know nominations/1924 Summer Deaflympics
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The result was: promoted by Carabinieri (talk) 22:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
1924 Summer Deaflympics
[edit]- ... that the First International Silent Games, in 1924, were the first ever international games for athletes with a disability?
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Created/expanded by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Alt. hook: ... that 147 male athletes and just one female athlete competed at the First International Silent Games in 1924?
Alt. hook: ... that there was only one female athlete at the First International Silent Games in 1924?
- Article is almost entirely sourced to primary sources. The info should come from reliable secondary sources. The one secondary source, VISUF.org, does not appear to be a reliable source, specifically stating that they do not update their content,[1] which seems contrary to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources "published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 09:44, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- The Deaflympics as a whole have secondary source coverage; it is legitimate for the encyclopedia to have an article about each edition of these Games (particularly the first); and the official website counts as a reliable source, I believe. The fact that VISUF's content is not updated hardly matters when the topic is an event from 1924... ("Fact-checking" does not mean the same as "updating".) Nonetheless, I've added a number of secondary sources. Aridd (talk) 10:44, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- A topic being notable doesn't immediately mean that sub-topics are independently notable. The sources you've added are enough to establish independent notability. And you're right about VISUF.
- ALT1 appears to be incorrect (only 145 athletes participated[2]). ALT1 appears sourced to [3], which doesn't list totals, so I'm assuming that the athletes were added manually. There appear to be men who competed more than once, and this might have caused the error. I'm striking it out until it is corrected or sourced. The main hook is good. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 11:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- The official website says explicitly that there were 148 athletes: here. That seems to me more trustworthy than secondary sources. Aridd (talk) 11:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- They're both primary sources; deaflympics websites. If we have two primary sources that contradict each other, it's probably best to avoid putting that info in the hook. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK. How about "... that one female athlete and over 140 male athletes competed at the First International Silent Games in 1924?"? It's a striking fact, after all; interesting for a hook. Aridd (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that it is interesting but we do not have a confirmed number. Saying that two possibly inaccurate primary sources agree that their possibly inaccurate number is above 140 does not inspire confidence. It is best to avoid the number of men, as even a secondary source could have gotten the wrong number from a primary source. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well we do have the results of the competition, so we do have some idea how many they were. (Maybe one source is counting the number of athletes present, while the other is subtracting non-starters?) But okay, I see the point. Think we can find a phrasing that points to the presence of a single female athlete without mentioning the number of men? Such as "... that there was only one female athlete at the First International Silent Games?"? Aridd (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- That's great, any hook that doesn't mention a number of men should be fine. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:22, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well we do have the results of the competition, so we do have some idea how many they were. (Maybe one source is counting the number of athletes present, while the other is subtracting non-starters?) But okay, I see the point. Think we can find a phrasing that points to the presence of a single female athlete without mentioning the number of men? Such as "... that there was only one female athlete at the First International Silent Games?"? Aridd (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that it is interesting but we do not have a confirmed number. Saying that two possibly inaccurate primary sources agree that their possibly inaccurate number is above 140 does not inspire confidence. It is best to avoid the number of men, as even a secondary source could have gotten the wrong number from a primary source. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK. How about "... that one female athlete and over 140 male athletes competed at the First International Silent Games in 1924?"? It's a striking fact, after all; interesting for a hook. Aridd (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- They're both primary sources; deaflympics websites. If we have two primary sources that contradict each other, it's probably best to avoid putting that info in the hook. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- The official website says explicitly that there were 148 athletes: here. That seems to me more trustworthy than secondary sources. Aridd (talk) 11:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- The Deaflympics as a whole have secondary source coverage; it is legitimate for the encyclopedia to have an article about each edition of these Games (particularly the first); and the official website counts as a reliable source, I believe. The fact that VISUF's content is not updated hardly matters when the topic is an event from 1924... ("Fact-checking" does not mean the same as "updating".) Nonetheless, I've added a number of secondary sources. Aridd (talk) 10:44, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- Article meets size and date requirements, and is sourced throughout. The main hook isBoth hooks are sourced and good to go. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 11:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
