Talk:Zoran Baldovaliev

Bulgarian passport/origin claim

Look, there was no way he could have got Bulgarian citizenship for such a short time. According to the law on Bulgarian citizenship one should live in the country for 3 years. He got that after only a year and a couple of months. --Laveol ^T 20:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear Laveol, have you ever heard of 'Bulgarian Citizenship Through Naturalization'. That means, a citizenship can be granted to any singer, acter, sportman etc. where the state decides to whom the citizenship is granted done through a quick procedure. As much as the Brazilians in Macedonia are Macedonian by origin, so Baldovaliev is Bulgarian by origin. Because the source given is irrelevant and since I do not want to argue too much, I will remove the sentence, otherwise you should prove the Bulgarian origin of all Arab citizens in BG.--R ašo 17:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Umm? And such a quick procedure is due only if the person has already achieved something great in his life. It is not the case with footballers who are not about to play in the national team. Baldovaliev was never close to doing so. I think he even has matches for the U-21 RoM team, which makes him unavailable for the First team. And would you tell me how the source is irrelevant? And what would be relevant? Arab citizens are granted citizenship after they spent 3 years in the country. I happen to know 3-4 such people. Oh, and I do know that Dilma Rousseff is a Makedonsko devoiche, but that's irrelevant to the discussion.--Laveol ^T 18:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see that you do not know anything. Rуusseff is not a Makedonsko devojče, but Pirinska moma. But if you understand at least a litle bit of Macedonian, perhaps you realize the point of it. But it's "Čul ne dočul" or "Rekol ne dorekol".

And now back to the Baldovaliev. Put a relevant link on the false source or I'll delete. Honestly I have checked in the archives of the newspaper and no such thing. I'll report you for falsification of sources.--R ašo 20:14, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Yep, but nove even from Pirin. Nevermind, but I didn't expect to see it in Dnevnik. I thought they were above those things. That with all the histeria in Bulgarian media. And how did you actually check the 7 dni archive when it is not public? Do you work in a Bulgarian media with access to it? --Laveol ^T 20:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Is public. Find and prove it. I'm waiting. Here is the link--R ašo 20:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Here's an interview with him [1]. Before getting the passport. And I repeat he cannot get a passport under the procedure you described above if he cannot play for the Bulgarian national team. Which he can't. --Laveol ^T 20:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Laveol, I see that you can not prove for that random sentence. This interview is full of words Macedonians, Macedonians, Macedonians. Nowhere „the Bulgarian origin“. I give you a link from 7 Dni archive. Try to find that newspaper number and show the results or I'll delete. Be reasonable, not to involve admins here. Such wars edits do not lead anywhere. And is not of the spirit of Wikipedia. Thank You--R ašo 20:44, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Laveol, you certainly have some explaining to do. You claimed a specific newspaper source contained a certain piece of information, about a potentially sensitive and contentious BLP issue. You repeated that assertion explicitly [2], while stating you didn't have a web link, and edit-warred over it. The public web archive of the newspaper apparently doesn't contain the info in question (I too looked for it and couldn't find it). You failed to provide precise bibliographic information to the publication in question (page, original title of the article etc.) When challenged, you appear to have been trying to dodge the issue, by citing other items (of dubious relevance) and by engaging in you own OR reasoning, instead of just providing the requested information about the alleged source. You claimed you believed the source was in fact not easily publicly available. So, where did you find it? And what should stop us from assuming you simply lied and made it up? Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, yes that be hard to explain. It looks more than ORish, yes. And it seems I really broke WP:Blp, for which I'm sorry. The explanation would be rather long. I have friends that are fans of the team og Lokomotiv (Sofia). There are not many of them, I have to say. One of them told me that Zoran was to get a passport a couple of years ago and explained me how. At the time I was not as aware on the issue of how exactly Bulgarian citizenship is acquired. I believe he was the one who added the info here. And there was actually an article on Zoran in the newspaper on that day. But it's not in the publicly accessable website as are not most of the materials. The newspaper has 30 pages, I believe and not all of them are there. Not nearly all the info is accessible. I went through it of course and find only about 20 articles on that day as many as they usually have on 2 of the 30 pages. And I know it was there in a profile of the player. That friend of mine had posted it on a forum with a link to the original article. But the link is dead now. And that's it. Oh, and as I tried to explain there is no other way he could have gained citizenship in such a swift fashion. But, I now see that there's no way we could have such an info on the article of a living person. It might be common sense, but sources are required (different from newspaper articles, that is). It seems I've forgot a lot. Thanks for the info, Fut. And, please, try asuming a bit better faith next time :) --Laveol ^T 21:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)