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Deletion

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I don't contest speedy deletion. - BierHerr 00:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With Freechild's improvements, I think there is now enough to withstand a speedy delete. The fact that the bar's notoriety sparked public debate in England may make it notable. If someone still wants to delete it, I think it should now go through the wp:afd process first. Regards, BierHerr 15:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I live in Halifax, and I've never heard of it. Will (I hope they cannot see, I AM THE GREAT DESTROYER!) 04:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect Will, having read your Wiki profile, as a 16 year old I would be VERY surprised if you'd ever heard of the Zoo Bar...I say that but you would have been 13 when it opened so theres every possibility you COULD have been there....

I do contest the speedy delete, as my edits show. The article now clearly asserts its notability. - Freechild 05:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy deletion, This establishment closed down over two, years ago and its only claim to fame was the notoriety of being an underage drinking den. It is not sufficiently notable for an article page on wikipedia, being more of a blog about the clubs closing. Richard Harvey 09:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning the lead

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Please leave the entire name of the location (Halifax, West Yorkshire) intact in the lead, as there are plenty of locations named Halifax in the world. Also, the law is not effective in the entirety of the UK; rather, it is only in effect in Wales and England. Please leave these facts in the lead as well. Finally, the fact that the site is being developed for flats is completely irrelevant in the lead; it is mentioned in the "effects" section, and that is enough. - Freechild 16:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update

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Some ref links about the Zoo Bar were incorrect as they referred to Fagins Bar. I have inserted supporting links to references were I could locate them and deleted those I could not, along with unsupported statements. I have added in additional information on other clubs that were also closed under the legislation. I have not been able to conclusively prove, one way or the other, that the Zoo Bar was the first Nightclub, in the UK, to be closed down under the legislation, but it would have been the first in Halifax. The James Purnell statement, about being elated at the closure, has also proved to be unprovable, though if evidence is provided I will believe it, so I have added an External link to a Hansard reported debate on the legislation which quotes the wording from a different source. Having found an article that I felt met the speedy delete criteria I found myself engrossed in trying to get further details. So now feel the article probably should be retained, but I remain Mildly Supportive in keeping it. Richard Harvey 20:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More Information / Neutrality

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It is in my opinion that the article focuses too heavily on the final days of both establishments and the negative reception they received from the press. Looking at other nightclub pages (eg. CBGB & Gatecrasher) would it not be of more factual interest to add some some further information about the club such as local folklore. It maybe worth noting that the club was the first in Halifax to offer 50p drinks (albeit for a short time). Furthermore the cultural impact of the Zoo Bar and Tramshed on the local young residents of Halifax (and even Bradford) needs to be documented. There's are at least 2 Facebook, and 1 Myspace community group's related to the Zoo Bar with well over 100 members (to me) this represents quite a number of potential stakeholders in this article. --Higgy3k 14:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An added few notes, I'm not sure of the correct way of editing the proper page without being shouted out! The flats are built and have been for a while now and the 'Tramshed' building is a sports wear store. But I do disagree with it being 'close' to the old Samuel Webster brewery, it is in the same town, but the old Brewery is in the Wheatley/Mixenden valley in Ovenden Wood. It is in the same town but quite a few miles away. Halifax is not THAT small ;-)Branthemosherman (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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