Talk:Zonuz

Language

This article is about a village, not the origin of the language spoken there. I've removed a large amount of material to reflect this. - TB (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

all claimes of Kasravi are lie and hasn't any academic facts and background as I elaborated in zonooz farsi page. The existing of one village with people spiking farsi isn't a good fact for claime that all of the people living in the region has Arian origin. all people in region are Turks and speak Turki Azerbijani. formal language doesn't determine ethnic origin of people and there maternal tongue.Zenuoz (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

A quick check through some relevant sources doesn't give any indication that this village has any special relevance in the wider fields of linguistics, genealogy or social history. I'm not disputing your facts, just their relevance to this article. Perhaps much of the explanation, justification and background material would be best moved into footnotes. Similarly, quite a few of the gallery pictures probably need some explanation as to what they illustrate that is unique to Zonouz. - TB (talk) 09:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

References

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I'm attempting to clean up this article (which is a mess), and am moving this:

Caucasian origin Main article: Caucasian origin of the Azerbaijanis A painting of Haji Zeynalabdin Taghiyev (1838–1924), a leading Azeri industrialist and philanthropist.

Looks like a new section/link was begun, but since the destination article has been tagged for POV I won't pursue it. There may be an image on Commons, but I don't have time to look; I've tried to tone down the worst of the POV, but this article is in need of accessible sources. Wi2g 17:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Linguistic confusion

Azari
آذری Āḏarī
Native to	Iran (Persia), Azerbaijan
Region	Middle East, Caucasia
Extinct	gradually 1100-1600AD
Language family	Indo-European Indo-Iranian Iranian Western Iranian Northwestern Iranian Azari
Language codes
ISO 639-3	–

There seems to be some confusion in the article between the Azari language, an Indo-European language formerly spoken by the region's Persian inhabitants, and the Azeri language, the Turkic language spoken in the region today. Therefore, I've moved most of the Azari content here for clarity (and it can probably be merged with the Old Azari language article):

Ahmad Kasravi is known for his solid research work on the ancient Azari language and origin of the Azerbaijani people. He showed that the ancient Azari language was an offshoot of Pahlavi language. Due to this discovery, he was granted the membership of London Royal Asiatic Society and American Academy. Arguing that ancient Azari language had been closely related to Persian language and the influx of Turkic words began only with the Seljuq invasion, Ahmad Kasravi believed that true national language of Iranian Azerbaijan was Persian and therefore advocated the linguistic assimilation of Persian in Azarbaijan.

A prolific writer, Kasravi was very critical of both the Shi'a clergy and of the policies of the central government. He had liberal views on religion, was a strong supporter of democracy, and expressed them in satirical pamphlets like What Is the Religion of the Hajis with Warehouses? that infuriated many readers. His views earned him many powerful enemies such as Ayatollah Khomeini.

ranian origin

Main article: Iranian origin of the Azerbaijanis

Statue of Nezami Ganjavi, a twelfth-century writer and philosopher, in Baku, Azerbaijan. Nezami is a major literary figure to both Azeris and Persians.

In many references, Azerbaijanis are designated as a Turkic people, due to their Turkic language. However, modern-day Azerbaijanis are believed to be primarily the descendants of the Caucasian and Iranic peoples who lived in the areas of the Caucasus and northern Iran, respectively, prior to Turkification. Various historians including Vladimir Minorsky explain how largely Iranian and Caucasian populations became Turkish-speaking:

“ In the beginning of the 5th/11th century the Ghuzz hordes, first in smaller parties, and then in considerable numbers, under the Seljuqids occupied Azarbaijan. In consequence, the Iranian population of Azarbaijan and the adjacent parts of Transcaucasia became Turkophone while the characteristic features of Ādharbāyjānī Turkish, such as Persian intonations and disregard of the vocalic harmony, reflect the non-Turkish origin of the Turkicised population." ”

I don't think this general historical/cultural overview (with a definite POV) belongs in this article, which concerns a specific, present-day village. Wi2g 20:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)