Talk:Zoe Saldaña/Archive 1

Archive 1

Name

I've gone ahead and changed the name Zoe Saldana to the correct spelling: Zoë Saldaña, which is how she is credited on her official site, movies, and commercials. --Speakslowly 20:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Birth place

She is born in New York. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obUbNl2R5xQ 80.242.116.105 (talk) 20:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Merging two Zoe Saldana articles into one

Their is two Zoe Saldana articles (Zoe Saldana and Zoe Saldaña) We should merge into one article under the name of Zoe Saldaña. BigBang11 00:05 PST 22 March 2006 (UTC)

If she is usually credited as Zoe Saldaña rather than Saldana, an admin should move the article there.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Please provide facts that she is half Puerto Rican, she is 100 percent dominican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Money (talk • contribs)

Sorry but her mother is Puerto Rican. That has been found in a reliable source.Mcelite (talk) 01:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, her own website says that BOTH of her parents are Donimican. It doesn't mention Puerto Rican at all. I would think she knows it. Nita 06-08-09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.197.173 (talk) 00:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

So when will this be properly redirected? So as to not reflect US chauvinism too long?

There is someone out there that keeps mislabeling Zoe as Puerto Rican; while Zoe herself has stated that she is 100% Dominican; her mother lived in Puerto Rico before Zoe was born, but she is not herself Puerto Rican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.183.196 (talk) 22:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

On another note, this person is also stating that Zoe was raised in Puerto Rico when she in fact was raised in Dominican Republic. This is stated in her personal biography. This person is not representing Zoe's true biography as they are stating false information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.183.196 (talk) 22:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Dominican? Puerto Rican? Both?

Someone keeps putting down that she is of Dominican AND Puerto Rican descent. On her website (http://www.zoesaldana.com/) in the mini bio section, it CLEARLY states that BOTH of her parents are Dominican. It's her website, I'm sure she has the authority to say what or what doesn't go on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.84.78 (talk) 04:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The source is coming from an interview in which see did herself. That is what we are going by and understand that people don't put everything on their personal website.Mcelite (talk) 06:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

On that website zoesaldana.com it says "Zoë Yadira Saldana was born June 19, 1978 in Passaic NJ to a Peurto Rican mother and Dominican father." Someone edit the page please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.48.237 (talk) 14:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Three Movies in Box Office Top 20

"She is the only actress to have three movies in the box office top 20 for three consecutive weeks. These movies are Avatar, The Losers, and Death at a Funeral.[citation needed]"

I'm not sure how to do this since I'm also guessing how to include this on this Talk page, so I'll leave it to someone with more knowledge to add this:

http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2010&wknd=18&p=.htm

That's the citation you need. 98.207.166.2 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Name 2 (Debate)

Her name is written in many alternative ways throughout websites. It is confusing.

In fact, the name Zoe Saldana is not correct, it is useful and convenient in writing in English. (Most) people omitted the diacritics.

R•B²_talk 22:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

RegularBreaker, please read the discussion above. It doesn't matter how many different ways her name is written. What matters, per the naming policies at Wikipedia, is that in English-language sources her name is most often written in this one way: "Zoe Saldana". You presented no sources that contradict that. SamEV (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

One of the sources that use Zoë is official Avatar website. --Lošmi (talk) 23:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

On two current magazine covers, her name is spelled Zoë Saldana, which as a former ling student about makes me want to cry. Or pull my hair out. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 05:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I really do enjoy working so hard to make the peolpe so happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.234.190.174 (talk) 18:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The diacritic ë doesn't exist in Spanish, while ñ exists in Spanish but not in English. Is therefore Zoë Saldaña a Spanglish name?

I have removed the extraneous phrase, "or Zoe Yadira Saldana Nazario." It is not needed, but mainly because the source is unreliable. --Musdan77 (talk) 17:53, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Partners

Is there any significant in mentioning her boyfriends since she is married. Before I remove partners...does any editors feel mentioning her past boyfriends in her infobox.Mcelite (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Reason for inclusion: She was with Britton for 11 years and they were engaged (but how long did they actually live together?).

Reason for exclusion: Britton is not notable enough to have a page. Some editors feel that even spouses that don't have articles should not be in infobox.

My opinion: Not needed. Remove it. --Musdan77 (talk) 23:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Moved to Zoe Saldana

In every movie for the last three years — you can find all the titles in one place at imdb — she's listed as Zoe Saldana. Before that, it was usually "Zoë Saldana". "Zoë Saldaña" appears only once. The clincher: her official website uses "Zoe Saldana". SamEV (talk) 23:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The clencher? Are you referring to the site that has this image with an enormous 'Ë'? The same site that has consistently used diacritics for years? You apparently have vision troubles - it should be moved back to Zoë Saldaña. ¦ Reisio (talk) 04:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Vision trouble? How did you know?! My vision is not 20/20, indeed. Anyway, I'll assume you're joking. If she prefers "Zoë Saldaña", she'd not have been creditted differently for three years running in her films. Nor would she use "Zoe" more that "Zoë" on her own official website. In fact, technology is so advanced, let me tell you, that even her website's url could be written as "Zoë Saldaña"; but it's not. Now why is that? Could it be that that "Zoë", with that "enormous" Ë you see on her website, is just a sort of style statement, but she otherwise uses Zoe Saldana professionally, is better known by that name, and wants to keep it that way? Could it, Reisio? SamEV (talk) 08:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

You should probably just read our diacritic. The difference between U.S. English pronunciation of 'Zoe' and 'Zoë' is significant, despite both using 'e' — that is what diacritics are for. ¦ Reisio (talk) 08:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Very helpful of you. Though completely unnecessary in my case. You should probably read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). The reasons I stated for the move are taken from the conventions. Here's a quote: "...use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." SamEV (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Mmm, but as I've already pointed out, your observations of the formatting of her name are misobservations. ¦ Reisio (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I no longer know what you're talking about or what the point is in my even replying. I never addressed formatting or differences in pronunciation; only that the most common spelling of her name is, at least for three years now (did I mention that?) "Zoe Saldana", in her film credits and even her website. You pointed out the logo, which I missed; good for you. Now please look at the Google advanced search results for "Zoë" on her website; you'll find just a couple of instances, but plenty for "Zoe", with no diacritics. SamEV (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, vision trouble. ¦ Reisio (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll take it. Better than brain trouble. SamEV (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

So she gave in to the narrow-mindedness of people in the US. Are you going to condemn her for that?

Now would she have ever misspelled 'creditted'. Hey - you can't spell. Your opinion about spelling is therefore ludicrous.

This isn't about pronunciation. It's about typing names correctly. As your own articles cite both these diacritics already it would seem you're in such case bent on some sort of apple pie inspired diacritic genocide - which is tantamount to cultural chauvinism. Not that it matters to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.207.226.86 (talk) 09:24, 2 June 2009

The personal attacks probably don't belong. Anyway, in at least one television interview (Space Ghost Coast to Coast, Dec. 2009), she referred to herself as (phonetically zo-ee sal-dan-a. So she doesn't seem to pronounce her name (currently) with the "enyay" sound.--76.239.30.102 (talk) 05:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Yes, the personal attacks definitely don't belong and I took them out of his comments. They violate policy. But you know what? I found them to be hilarious. I tried not to, but to no avail. SamEV (talk) 14:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm all for proper spelling and pronunciation of names, but this probably seals the direction that should be taken here. AniRaptor2001 (talk) 00:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you entirely.

I was just there at IMDb <1 hour ago, and considered adding the link to the movie ([1] and the one to her page, which you gave, to this article. It's just that I've been having some misgivings lately about IMDb's reliability (even though I agree with IMDb in this case). But if you want to add either or both links, no problem. SamEV (talk) 00:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation

As you guys were also talking about pronunciation. In the article there is the pronunciation given of her last name. But what about here first name? Could somebody fix that? --Jobu0101 (talk) 06:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Anon IP's edits

For several days now, an anon IP has continually tried to turn this into a fan page with comments about "Zoe," as he calls her; with a laundry list of movies in the prose section that redundantly duplicates the filmography without adding anything pertinent; with the reinsertion of an uncited and irrelevant box-office claim; and the removal of a pertinent sentence about her fragrance advertisement. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't me. Perhaps a fan-page could be added as an external ref. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Zoe Saldana has Super Powers!

Apparently she grew up in the Dominican Republic until she was 17, but was raised in Queens. Unless Queens is in the Dominican Republic, I don't see how that's possible.Brad Rapstars 04:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brad Rapstars (talk • contribs)

Yes, the two statements are contradictory and are in need of clarification. One cannot live in grow up and be raised in two different places at the same time.--RossF18 (talk) 05:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually she grew up in Pandora. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.218 (talk) 00:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Pandora? -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Apparently, Saldana is only a character played by Neytiri, or something ... --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:36, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Husband's last name.

I've made a recent change to Zoe's husbands last name as It was incorrect at the time, it is now Perego-Saldana, not just Perego. I've put a source next to the change, I was just wondering if this will be accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrimsonYellow (talk • contribs) 09:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films and Saturn Award NOT two awards

Agree w/ musdan77. The Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films provides the Saturn Award and no other. There is no separate Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films award as shown on Zoe Saldana's page (without citation I may add). Ms. Saldana ONLY won the Saturn Award GIVEN TO HER BY the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films, so she has only won one award not two as has been shown on her page. Having her shown as winning BOTH the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films award (which doesn't exist, thus no citation could be provided) AND the Saturn Award is like saying someone won two awards: the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences award and, separately, an Academy Award ("Oscar"). Please review Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films and Saturn Award.

It looked like vandalism because you replaced the content with "hello", and your explanation was cut off because it was too long for the edit comment. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

@Florian Blaschke: I don't recall entering the word "hello" at any time. Whether that was an aberration, glitch or vandalism of my account, I don't know. Why that would automatically thought to be vandalism rather than an error is also beyond me. My view is when in doubt don't jump to conclusions. Even if the edit was cut off because I was trying to give a thorough explanation, a bit of research would have disclosed the reasoning instead of jumping the gun on reversions. Musdan77 seems to have no trouble figuring out the situation. This is an academic endeavor, not a race. Also, cordiality should be the default response, not an attack with insufficient evidence. DBManley /tlk DBManley 05:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, sorry then. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Zaldana?!

How do we know that that source is even reliable? It looks like a typo and that website practically looks like something a tumblr user could piece together. Is there any source saying her maiden name is "Zaldana"? The header right above it says it's Saldaña and that's what most sources say, Saldaña.Trillfendi (talk) 01:59, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I just thought the same. The source looks dodgy and it seems to me that it is not up to snuff with our requirements for RS. I've tagged the ref to indicate this. Her birth name is most probably Zoe (or Zoë) Yadira Saldaña Nazario. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, it may be true that the source is wrong, but there has to be source to replace it. We could just remove Zoe Yadira Zaldana Nazario, but then there would need to be a new source for her birthdate. --Musdan77 (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, the source (apparently unreliable wiki-style website) cites sources itself, and we should use those instead. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't see how it's "apparent" that it's unreliable or that it's a wiki. And I don't see how we use their sources. They're not inline, so we don't know which (if any) shows that as her full/birth name. And they're not verifiable -- unless you have access to those periodicals. Now, I did a book search on "Zoe Saldana, Zaldana", which got 3 results: [2]. Then I did web search with "Zoe Saldana biography Zaldana" and got hundreds. So I don't think there's any question that that is her real name. I guess the question is which sources are best to use. --Musdan77 (talk) 19:42, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Wait, you're seriously arguing that Zaldana is her real name based on a Google search, when you haven't even examined in detail these results and what they're based on? *facepalm*

You really need to read up on our requirements for reliable sources, and it becomes apparent that FilmReference.com is no more reliable than IMDb (which isn't obviously user-generated content, either). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

You keep using words like "apparent", but don't give any good reason to believe that. I see nothing to indicate that the site is "user-generated" (no way to register, etc.). And you assume that I didn't "examine in detail these results". Did you?! I would say that at least one of those books is credible enough to be used as a source. And how about: [3] or [4]? I think I've done plenty of work on this. It's time for a little cooperation. --Musdan77 (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I have now proven that FilmReference.com is explicitly considered a non-RS on Wikipedia. Moreover, there is now a RS in the article showing that her father's surname is indeed Saldaña, as expected. You need better sources, verifiably independent of possible misprints propagated through the Internet, even if they are inconveniently located outside the Internet. Your turn. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 13:48, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

It's about time. ...But, I don't know what you mean when you say you've "proven" that it is "non-RS". (But I guess it doesn't matter.) --Musdan77 (talk) 18:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

If you quote me, at least quote me correctly: I have proven that it is explicitly considered a non-RS on Wikipedia (i. e., not a RS by our standards, and therefore deprecated) by linking to a discussion and a policy page in my edit comment. I have now replaced the ref by better sources that unambiguously show Saldaña, and as a source for her birthdate it was unnecessary anyway because we've already got the Biography.com ref for it. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

1. When you haven't replied in a discussion within 24 hours or so (and you want the person to read your reply), you should "ping" the editor (or "talkback") you're replying to. I just happened to see it when I came to read the comments in the section below.
2. Sorry that you didn't like my quotes, but I think it's unnecessary to quote a whole sentence when it's right above.
3. I had to go to the article history page and scroll down to find the edit summary you were referring to. I didn't see that before, and you could have just put the link(s) here. And I don't know why you even felt you needed to put a link to a discussion. Just put WP:WikiProject Film/Resources#Databases (which I did here, so that someone reading this discussion could go there).
4. Peace, out. --Musdan77 (talk) 05:43, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

African-America

The bio says she is African American. But her parents are listed as being Puerto Rican and Dominican. So how does that make her AFRICAN-American? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoop85 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Claire that Zoe Saldana is of Black African descent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.236.188.143 (talk) 19:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

She is Afro-Latina Morhange (talk) 17:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Since this aspect is questioned by people at times, I've included her view on the matter. I also see that she is in the African American categories in the Wikipedia article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Name

Yes, why does the article list her as "Zoe Saldana" when it's either, "Zoë Saldaña" or "Zoe Saldaña"? --2600:8802:1300:3D3:891B:705E:8AE0:1A65 (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)