Talk:Zipless fuck

This article was nominated for deletion on March 23 2007. The result of the discussion was merge and redirect into Fear of Flying (novel).

Comments

_ _ I am surprised by the assertion, in the first sent, that non-involvement is sufficient ("...is defined as...") to qualify. That is consistent with the first 7 of the 9 sent's in the boxed quote, but the 8th & 9th suggest a much more subtle emotional state is also involved, as i always presumed. The choice of "zip" as one of the three elements in the term leads to me believe, that in the absence (as with the absolute absence from the article) of evidence to the contrary, one would have to assume that the subjective lack of mechanics (i.e., realistically, the inability to recall them and consequent sense that they required no conscious thought) is important and perhaps essential. Lack of commitment is even hinted at only in the last sent cited, after the boxed quote, as a requirement only for a "true ultimate zipless A-1 fuck", and that sent doesn't say "without emotional involvement or commitment" but (emphasis added by me) "you never got to know the man very well". And nothing in the quoted material rules this out as a zipless fuck:

The Married-with-childrens are asleep in the same old bed. One of them gets up to pee, and the other awakens as they leave or return. Nothing is spoken, each thinks the other was the first to change the agenda from sleep to sex, and everyone goes back to sleep after an orgasm.

IMO, that's as zipless as you could hope for; presumably Isadora Wing didn't know that she "never had one" zipless fuck in large part bcz setting out to get laid while dodging commitment is a humungously loud zipper -- but Jong (who now says "I'm really a homebody is the terrible truth") may have known (even back then).
_ _ BTW, she seems to make no suggestion that males can experience what she describes, and in the cited Salon interview she says (only for subscribers and those who take the one-day sample offer) about men only (i paraphrase severely) that they were clueless enough to think that offering to provide the zipless fuck was a less effortful way to score. Perhaps the lead should say instead "...single-couple heterosexual intercourse that the woman experiences as...". The current text reads like it was writ by a male even more clueless than i am.
--Jerzy•t 20:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consider the entry "zipless fuck" for deletion?

Say it isn't so! Zipless fuck is intrinsic to feminist history. Written in 1973, Erica Jong's FEAR OF FLYING has been read by millions of women--including as college-required reading--and reflects the American culture in change from patriarchy. The ultimate destination in this kind of social change cannot be predicted, and FEAR OF FLYING became a compass. 71.214.94.108 18:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]