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Requested move 1 November 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move malformed, as with new editor's other proposal (non-admin closure) In ictu oculi (talk) 13:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Xin (businesswoman) → Xin(Shynn) ZHANG – This woman recently provided an alternative of her English name, and the name on her company's official website has been changed already: http://sohochina.com/en/team Summer bbya (talk) 10:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Zhang Xin is the wikipedia:commonname. Shynn Zhang may be her preferred English full name, but not a common name in the media, also the Wikipedia:primary source can't prove Shynn Zhang is more popular than Zhang Xin in the media. Matthew_hk t c 10:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Something like that might be an acceptable redirect, but she is known in reliable English language sources as Zhang Xin. Unless that were to change, the article name should remain as it is. Edwardx (talk) 11:40, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not how articles are named on Wikipedia per WP:AT. Entries/redirects at Xin Zhang and Shynn Zhang already exist. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:04, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not how we title articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close per all above In ictu oculi (talk) 13:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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UDP tag

For the record, this article has been tagged for undisclosed paid editing since this edit [1] on 1 November 2017. The article has since been subjected to edits by numerous sock and meat puppet accounts that have indicated they are "answering requests", indicating some sort of attempt by an off-wiki entity to effect the article in question.--SamHolt6 (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The paid edit seem happened way longer. user Sohochina was created in 2010 Sohowebmaster2, Sohowebmaster from related article in 2009. It is obvious a share use promotion accounts than an impersonation. Matthew_hk t c 14:34, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look at the article in a week or so, and see if I can sort out the wheat from the chaff. Cheers! bd2412 T 22:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that one of the changes reverted was the addition of this CNBC article. This would appear to be the best available source on the subject. Aside from it having previously been used by a COI editor, are there any objections to using this as a source? If not, I will work up an NPOV draft to replace the current content. Cheers! bd2412 T 15:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

just a brief look and the word "in collaboration with " appears in the lead. Not sure it was a soft ad or paid article or not, but interview seems a primary source. Matthew_hk t c 17:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The "in collaboration with" refers to a documentary series of CNBC articles, with the series being sponsored by Credit Suisse. This appears to be equivalent to PBS or NOVA noting a sponsor for a documentary. I don't see any immediate connection between Credit Suisse and the subjects of the series, although all the subjects are extremely wealthy people in their industries, and it is almost always possible to draw some connection between sufficiently wealthy people and sufficiently large financial institutions. I would not use the CNBC article as the primary source of information for an article, but CNBC is not one of the sources that we would usually consider to be compromised. bd2412 T 17:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then it should be the best source so far we can get. Matthew_hk t c 18:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll see what I can put together from neutral sources. Thanks for your comments! bd2412 T 18:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have thoroughly rewritten the article, and have balanced it with the inclusion of both praise and criticism, and both positive and negative information (the subject's marital woes and controversy over their charitable aims). Almost every claim is cited to at least two independent sources. I believe this should resolve the previous concerns about the shape of the article. bd2412 T 18:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Picture

The current picture on this article is pretty bad. Its a cropped version of another image so I uploaded two more to Wikimedia Commons. Was wondering if there was an opinion on the best one to use. --Grisletmoped (talk) 03:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zhang_Xin_at_Bund_SOHO_opening_ceremony_in_2015.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zhang_Xin_awarded_%27Special_Prize_at_the_8th_International_Architecture_Exhibition_of_la_Biennale_di_Venezia_in_2002.png[reply]

Images don't normally require a consensus to be added. You can add them yourself unless you have a WP:COI in which case you would need to disclose and then make the request. I added both images for now so unless there is an objection from another editor they should be good to go. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BD2412, I see you moved the image to the infobox on this one. I added another one from Flickr which is in color and black and white images can signify things such as death in the Chinese culture. Looks like some images were deleted for permission and likely a paid editor uploading them. Flickr has quite a few but this is one that doesn't appear to have any copyright issues. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is fine, thanks. bd2412 T 02:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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COI image addition

@Sentilenium:, please declare any WP:COI that you have with respect to this subject before adding an image to the page. It is suspicious that your first and only edit to Wikipedia is to add this image to this particular page. bd2412 T 02:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page image

Per discussions above, it appears that both newer and older images of the subject exist on Commons. My understanding–though I don't know if this is written in policy anywhere–is that there is a preference for the use of more recent images, as article subjects may change in appearance over time. That said, what image best suits the article? The current options are below. BD2412 T 23:48, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Current image (2013)
(2002)
(2017)
(2019)
(2019)

Bear in mind that any of these images could be cropped to a tighter focus; the current page image was cropped from this, and another available image was cropped from this. BD2412 T

For convenience, I have made a better crop of the first image, and a new crop of the second.

I think the current page image is hampered a bit by the fact that the subject appears to be over-lit, and perhaps responding to being under too bright of a light. BD2412 T 02:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@WhisperToMe: Since no one else seems interested, and you have most recently edited the page, what do you think works best from the selection above? BD2412 T 22:42, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@BD2412: I havent yet seen a guideline over this but I do prefer the newer image as she is still active in her career. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have actually been trying to come up with some rules for a guideline - including a preference for newer images (unless the older image is in some sense iconic of the subject), and preferring more front-facing images over more side-facing images. I agree with you on this one. If no one else has alternative reasoning to offer, I'll implement within the next few days. BD2412 T 05:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]