Talk:Zeitpyramide

A fact from Zeitpyramide appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 December 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Time pyramid, a public work of art begun in 1993, is scheduled for completion in the year 3183?

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More information is needed

Fascinating concept, I would like to see more on the current status of the work of art.

Where in the town this pyramid is located
Photograph of it currently

Perhaps some links to photos on Google Earth--Andbrew.downes (talk) 06:25, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You would be disappointed, in its current state, its not to much to look at, with only two blocks. There is a picture on Panoramio, but its copyright stauts prohibits it being uploaded to commons. I mistankenly uploaded it and then exchanged it for the current one in the infobox, if you follow it to commons you will be able to see it as the first draft. I may have an opportunity to take a picture next year in May, when I'm in the region. I would also like to get a picture of the model. As to the location, its outside of town, to the north somewhere. Calistemon (talk) 09:36, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

timing

The statement in the "Timing" section that there were only two other possible years in all of history when such a construction could have been undertaken seems to me to be entirely spurious. There are any number of arrangements that could have been used had the artist and the idea materialized at a different time. Suppose they had hit upon the idea 200 years from now for the 1400th instead of the 1200th-- the structure could have been planned with the layers offset as a 1x1 atop a 2x2 and so on up to 7x7. It seems pretty clear to me that, with a little creativity, an artist could have devised a geometric structure with any number of blocks desired.

I am leaving the claims in for now, although my own quick search just now did not locate any WP:RS source that backs them up. My inclination will be to just remove them outright if no one else can find reliable sources either. --Rnickel (talk) 23:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest some proper reasearch before making claims of original research and facts not being backed up. The information was taken from the official website, I quote it here:

120 cubes, put into position one by one every 10 years, correspond to the current 1200 years of history. I would like to point out that the connection between the quantity of blocks required to build the pyramide and the 1200 years since the first official record of Wemding's existence represent a unique coincidence: a comparable constellation would last have been the year 1633 (7 x 7 stones) or would not next be until the year 2443 (9 x 9 stones)! Consequently a sculpture in this form could only be started in the jubilee year of 1993.

If you can't find it yourself, go to the official website, klick on Konzept and than on the English version and there it is. Calistemon (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need to be insulting. I did check your cited source but, being a German speaker, read only the original German version. This reads in its entirety:

Die Wemdinger Zeitpyramide wurde anläßlich der 1200-Jahr-Feier der Stadt Wemding 1993 begonnen. Sie hat die geschichtliche Tatsache des Bestehens der Stadt Wemding seit 1200 Jahren zum Inhalt. Dieser Zeitraum wird in der Skulptur konzeptuell zum Ausdruck gebracht.

As you can see, there is nothing about the "coincidental" nature of the project nor any mention of the two other "possible" start dates. Since this being a German project in a German city described on a German-language website, it did not occur to me that the English version of the site might be more complete, and for that I apologize. --Rnickel (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are not looking hard enough. When you klick Konzept and than Deutsch you get to:

120 Steine in Zeitabständen von 10 Jahren gesetzt entsprechen dem hier aktuellen Zeitraum von 1200 Jahren. Ich weise darauf hin, daß die Übereinstimmung der für den Bau der Pyramide benötigten Anzahl von Steinquadern und der 1200 Jahre nachweisbarer Wemdinger Geschichte einen einmaligen Zufall darstellt; eine vergleichbare Konstellation hätte sich zuletzt auf der Berechnungsgrundlage von 7 x 7 Steinen usw. im Geschichtsjahr 1633 ergeben, und ergäbe sich erst wieder auf der Berechnungsgrundlage von 9 x 9 Steinen im Geschichtsjahr 2443!
Daraus folgt, daß die Skulptur in dieser Form nur im Jubiläumsjahr 1993 begonnen werden konnte.
Finanziert wird das Projekt mit den Zinsen aus einem relativ geringen Stiftungskapital.

It is a rather helpful website because it has the information in German, English, Spanish, Dutch and French. Calistemon (talk) 00:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody seems to be missing a point here. There obviously was a different time than 1993 to do this. Because 1993 was the WRONG time to start it. Because now, they are going to place the last block TEN YEARS EARLY! If you are trying to measure 120 decades, and you want to place a marker at the start and end, you need 121 markers..not 120. They want to give people a sense of what 1200 years is like by doing this for 1190 years? Makes no sense. If they wanted to start it on their 1200th annviersary, then they should have come up with a 121 block geometric shape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.24.185 (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing wording

The article says "The completed pyramid will have taken just shy of a decade less to build than Wemding's age at the time that the first block was laid." What does this even mean? It will be way older than he was, by about 1000 years, how could it be less than a decade of his age? =The above comment was by me I forgot to sign BenW (talk) 14:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wemding is the name of the town, not the architect. | Petnog (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of concrete?

Will the first block deteriorate before the last block is placed? Doe the german language website give details on the concrete used?

Some ancient Roman concrete has lasted thousands of years, even in seawater, but I am don't think this is a priority for modern concrete formulations.

This video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAdmpAZTH_M

...shows a crane lifting a block by some rebar sticking out of the top (presumably they smooth out the top later). Not sure that steel is the best choice for lasting a thousand years. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-> I think the metal hooks are just for moving the blocks into position more easily. Why would they reinforce a concrete block? I would image the concrete is not reinforced and will last for many centuries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbyj554 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox

Hi, I belive current information about height and volume should be added to the infobox, next to the "when done" Information. Does anybody knows what would be the current height and volume of the structure. There's no point of saying "when it's done" as the only Information, since it will be done in over 1000 years, if ever. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 03:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]