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Weinersmith's great-grandfather emigrated to the United States in 1925, and much of his extended family was killed in the Holocaust.^[1]

References

^ Weinersmith, Zachary Alexander (January 29, 2017). "Libertas Shrugs". Google Docs. p. 1. Retrieved January 31, 2017. I do not, because four generations ago my great grandfather came here while his sister chose to stay behind. Her name, to the best of our knowledge, was Peltia Wollach (née Winokur) and she was lucky enough to die before the Shoah. As far as I could tell from the records digitized by JewishGen.com from Bialystok, Poland, and from documents in Yad Vashem, everyone else was murdered. Her husband Itzchak, and (I believe) five children - Chasia, Riwka, Tauba, Avram, and Jehoszua. I am lucky that my ancestor, Szimon Winokur, came here in 1925. I am also lucky that he was white.

While the information is self-published/primary source, I believe it would qualify for some of the limited exceptions carved out. It being used to support a fairly limited point, and is unlikely to contravene any Wikipedia policy on the biographies of living people.

Do other editors have additional thoughts on the matter? PvOberstein (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion is it may be verifiable, but doesn't meet inclusion threshold, per WP:PROPORTION, WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:VNOTSUFF. The majority of sources in this article are already primary sources, or interviews. Giving undue weight to the points of view of the subject brings this closer to a fan-article or collection of trivia. There is also the reliability issue of a Google Doc: even if we are going to cite self-published work, the bar should be high enough to credibly verify that Weinersmith is the actual creator. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Animalparty:

With regards to WP:PROPORTION, I believe what amounts to a one-sentence line on his ancestry is not disproportionate. Many Early life sections of artists contain very similar information. I don't believe it's "Unbalanced", because there is nothing really to balance against (competing hypothesis as to his genealogy?). Regarding WP:NOTEVERYTHING, I believe the content is inherently encyclopedic (factual information as to one's background), not particularly fannish or trivial.

If the issue is verification, the Doc was linked to from both the official SMBC website and its Facebook page:

It was also re-posted on Medium: https://medium.com/@ZachWeiner/today-the-statue-of-liberty-shrugs-e440b3d181ac

Yours. PvOberstein (talk) 20:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I will not protest further, although I think the quote within the citation is extraneous. The medium.com version is the most reliable, transparent, verifiable version of the source, and the one that should be used. --Animalparty! (talk) 21:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Information has been re-instated, sans quote, using Medium link. PvOberstein (talk) 21:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Weinersmith, Zachary Alexander (January 29, 2017). "Libertas Shrugs". Google Docs. p. 1. Retrieved January 31, 2017. I do not, because four generations ago my great grandfather came here while his sister chose to stay behind. Her name, to the best of our knowledge, was Peltia Wollach (née Winokur) and she was lucky enough to die before the Shoah. As far as I could tell from the records digitized by JewishGen.com from Bialystok, Poland, and from documents in Yad Vashem, everyone else was murdered. Her husband Itzchak, and (I believe) five children - Chasia, Riwka, Tauba, Avram, and Jehoszua. I am lucky that my ancestor, Szimon Winokur, came here in 1925. I am also lucky that he was white.

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