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Edit request from 75.15.127.21, 21 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In the early life and background section of Zac Efron, the power plant that his dad works at is Diablo Canyon (Nuclear) Power Plant.

75.15.127.21 (talk) 00:22, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for this.  fetchcomms☛ 01:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Emmypie97, 10 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please let me edit this pic! Emmypie97 (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The image is not located here. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 23:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

This article is one of a small number (about 100) selected for the first week of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

However with only a few hours to go, comments have only been made on two of the pages.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

linkage?

"He is of Jewish ancestry and is an agnostic, having never been religious." Jewish ancestry links to Who is a Jew?. Why does it link there? Griffinofwales (talk) 01:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Meaning of Efron's surname in Hebrew

I see that the article states under Efron's early life and background that he is of Jewish ancestry, which is a valid entry. However, the article then states that his surname means "lark" in Hebrew. And?! We have people with the surname Le Roux on Wikipedia, but we don't note that their surname means "the red" in French. Similarly, some people have Dutch surnames like "De Beer", but we don't go around writing that it's Dutch for "the bear". If anyone has some objection to removing this particular part of useless information from the article, please say so and explain why, otherwise I'll be removing it. If we start explaining the literal meaning of surnames, BLP articles will become flooded with other nonsense. Johannes Jaar (talk) 12:44, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's useless - it's a fairly rare surname that translates to something in its language of origin. There are similar notations in Shia LaBeouf, David Boreanaz, and Charlize Theron, for starters. I do agree that these "surname meaning" bits should be included on only a very small percentage of articles (i.e. only those where the name is rare and has a direct translation). This one, I think, has merit on that level. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Granted, it's a rare surname. But that depends on location. It's a rare surname in the US and/or UK, Australia, etc. It might not be so rare in other countries (like for instance Israel). I still think this piece of info should be removed, because how does it inform anyone about Zac Efron as a famous living person? Ancestry, yes! But that should be explained a lot better than it is at the moment. The fact that his surname means "lark" in Hebrew says that he has Jewish ancestry, not something silly like "he looks like a lark". Although surnames reveal a small amount of information regarding a person's ancestry, it is a rather random thing that befalls each of us (or leaves us, in the case of Madonna and Cher), but it is too random to note it for its importance in itself. His ancestry, which should thus be explained in the article to be Jewish (and which we might want to note explains his Hebrew surname - without explaining what it means) should be enough. The exact literal meaning of his surname is irrelevant. It is a bit of trivia. The meaning of his surname is therefore only important in relation to it being Hebrew, and Efron being of Jewish ancestry. Subsequently I think it should also be removed from the other noted articles, but that should not be discussed here. Johannes Jaar (talk) 10:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I should add that I checked the other biographies, and Shia LaBeouf's is the only one that states the meaning of his surname (and name). The other two merely note the origin of the surname, and thus its importance in relation to the person's ancestry. I still think that the info about Efron meaning "lark" should be removed. Johannes Jaar (talk) 08:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

True about Theron/Boreanaz; coincidentally, another page I stumbled onto yesterday (not in the process of looking for more examples, that is), Bai Ling, had both first and last name meanings explained, despite likely being a common last name. Anyway, I thought the "lark" part might have some notability in the service of irony - according to its wikipage, the lark has "more elaborate calls than most birds, and often extravagant songs given in display flight" - sort of ironic given Efron's most famous role (in a musical). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 10:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I cannot deny that I share the wonderful irony in Efron meaning "lark" (for some reason I just had images in my head of Efron singing something that sounds like the Pokémon TV show theme). However, the proper Wikipedian in me (whatever that might mean...) thinks that this part of information does not contribute constructively to the article. And so I still move to remove the offending phrase (and rewriting the bit about his ancestry). If you don't have any other problems then, I'll do this soon. Johannes Jaar (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

What do you propose to change the sentence to? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 19:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Med1307, 26 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} it is rumoured/confirmed that Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens are engaged to be married Med1307 (talk) 20:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

 Not done. You have no source and Wikipedia is not a rumor mill. BOVINEBOY2008 21:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

{{edit semi-protected}} Zac Efron and Grace Dring are married.

Graceemily95 (talk) 20:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}}

 Not done Unconfirmed. Please find a source.--Talktome^(Intelati) 20:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

why is this missing?

It confuses me when wikipedia leaves out a whole half of a person's ancestry. What's that all about? As far as I know Zac Efron is only partially Jewish, and therefore is of *partial Jewish ancestry. His mother as far as I know, is completely not Jewish. In fact, she's very much American: German, Scottish, English etc. In fact, the name Baskett is quite non-Jewish, supporting my claim. Religiously, Zac Efron is not Jewish either, so it makes no sense at all to leave these facts out if you're going to describe him as Jewish, because what you must mean is that he is ethnically Jewish and not religiosly Jewish. You couldn't mean that he is Jewish, i.e. religiosly Jewish, because in the same article it is stated that he is agnostic; ergo, not Jewish. This seems like a rather significant change, adding a full half of his ancestry in here. I don't see how the article could be described as objective to leave it out. I don't even see how wikipedia could have left it out all this time...? Moreover, even if one hundred biographies described Efron as Jewish, a person doesn't choose their ancestry. His ethnic background is what it is, not what a person decides it is or wants it to be for their career or peace of mind, and since you're only talking about his actual ethnic background, it should be placed into the article. Thanks for your time. Source:

http://ethnicelebs.com/zac-efron There was independent research that went into this report. It is as legitimate a source as any other.

• And I'm sure I can find others. Any fair analysis of his genealogy will corroborate my claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.29.241 (talk) 01:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Filmography

There was a television pilot he was in. it never became a tv show but the pilot for the series was still shown on air. Zac played the main character Cody. The series was called "If you lived here, you'd be home now" source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0759582/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rymirho (talk • contribs) 03:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Zac Efron - NOT Jewish

I have found an interesting article at Shalom Life where Efron's publicist Gina Hoffman claims that; "Zac isn’t jewish. That was misprinted in a magazine.” Any toughts, should this be included on his Wiki page?

Source at; http://www.shalomlife.com/culture/14694/zac-efron-is-not-jewish/ --Eversman (talk) 22:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Efron's paternal grandfather was Jewish. His other three grandparents weren't Jewish. I think the article text sort of reflects this? That's what I was getting at when I made the change. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

The agent's comment seems to be discussing his religion, whereas the cited sources mentioned his family background. Where are the sources on his 3 non-Jewish grandparents? Post those. In the meantime, I'm reverting back to what the cited sources say as per WP:V Avaya1 (talk) 18:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

"Zac Efron (who is often misidentified as Jewish; my research indicates he has one Jewish grandparent"

"Efron, who was raised in no religion, has some Jewish ancestry on his father's side. He has never really made his background clear in media interviews"

Aside from that, writer Andrew Goldman interviewed Zac Efron in the summer of 2010 for Details magazine. While he did not include this in the interview, he twitted this excerpt of what Zac told him:

"Is Zac Efron really Jewish? "My mom and dad both aren’t, but my grandpa was. So I’m technically not Jewish but my bloodline is.”"

None of the sources now in the article mention that his whole family is Jewish. Indeed, the ShalomLife article that mentions that publicist's statement that Zac isn't Jewish states that him being Jewish - "That was misprinted in a magazine". So presumably he's referring to one of these sources. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, but I think that categories; American Jews, Jewish actors, Jewish agnostics, Jewish American musicians and Jewish singers don't belong under Efron's Wiki page, since his only connection to Judaism is his paternal grandfather and that is not enough for this categories. American people of Jewish descent is more appropriate category.--Eversman (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

That's right. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Testimonial

User:Michaelh2001 added the following sentence to the Personal life section:

Efron has provided a celebrity endorsement for Sun Valley, California based Z.E.N. Foods, with a photo of the actor and personal testimonial appearing on the companies website.

He cited to the Z.E.N. website. Putting aside the misspelling, I reverted it calling it spam. Michael reverted saying it wasn't spam, that it was "reviewed by an admin here", whatever that means as Michael is not an admin.

Even assuming the testimonial is true (the cite is to a self-published source), it is trivial information and is a clear plug for the company and its products. If the testimonial is important enough to Efron's career or his personal life, then Michael should be able to find a reliable, third-party source to cite.

I'm going to revert one more time and invite Michael to discuss the issue here. In the interim, others' comments are welcome.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:23, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

• The company calls itself Z.E.N., bbb, it isn't a misspelling. You must know that websites drop periods and other punctuation in their website.

If you had bothered to look into my recent posts and edits, you would have quickly found the editor to whom I was referring. But instead you decided to get snarky, and accuse me of spam. I have NO connection to that company or Efron, but I do believe it is notable when celebrities endorse. You disagree. Fine. Perhaps by your logic we should remove the priceline.com endorsement info from William Shatner's page. But take the chip off your shoulder. I have a long history on Wikipedia of making good faith edits. Five minutes of your time would have shown that. But you're very busy here and sometimes in a bad mood, right? (According to your own comments on your talk page). But go ahead and have your revert. Bullies normally get their way here... AlaskaMike (talk) 00:39, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The misspelling is "companies website". I didn't "accuse" you of spam. I didn't accuse you of anything except a spelling error. I said the material was spam. An editor can add spam without being affiliated with anything. (You, OTOH, are accusing me of being snarky, having a chip on my shoulder, and being a bully - that there is a mouthful.)--Bbb23 (talk) 00:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Bullying becomes clearly apparent when you use comments like, "...that it was "reviewed by an admin here", whatever that means as Michael is not an admin." I never said I was an admin, I said I took the time to have it reviewed by an admin. But you didn't take the time to look into that, and yes, your comment on the matter was indeed snarky. It is the very definition of being snarky. In the future you might use a little tact with long time editors who have always acted in good faith. AlaskaMike (talk) 01:09, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Room Raiders

Zac was featured as the room raider in a celebrity edition in 2005. I think it's relevant and sbhould be included on the page. Billy4kate (talk) 15:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

What's a room raider? Do you have a source?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Was an old mtv showWoods01 (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Lead image

I don't think the current "Me and Orson" lead image is the best one we could use. I recommend going back to the "Kids Choice Awards" one for now. I can understand that the "Me and Orson" image is slightly more recent, although it was still taken several years ago, and therefore for this reason it is slightly more suitable. However, the quality of the image is not as good. Firstly, the main problem I have with it is that it is a profile picture. This is not suitable as the first image readers see, for they only see half his face. It is silly to portray a person first off with a profile picture. Furthermore, the amount of noise and poor lighting mean it is not as polished or professional a piece. Thirdly, Efron is not the sole focus of the photo, instead there are cameras, media, a piece of white fluff in the foreground and an obtrusive microphone. The "Kids Choice Awards" photo is much cleaner, simple, and more representative of the subject of the article. If no one objects I will probably switch them around in the next couple of days. EryZ (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I think that maybe a more recent photo of Zac should be used. The kids choice one is great but it was taken 5 years ago and so is a little outdated. I'm sure there is a more recent photograph of him that is just as clear as that one that could be used for the profile picture? I understand that for copyright reasons an image cannot be used straight from google images but surely there is a more recent image that can be used somewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.198.184 (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)