Talk:Yundi/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: EleniXDD (talk · contribs) 15:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Aza24 (talk · contribs) 16:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Happy to review this! Best - Aza24 (talk) 16:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know, EleniXDD, this is on my radar, but I may not get to it for a day or two now still. Best – Aza24 (talk) 04:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries, take your time. EleniXDD※Talk 03:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Some standards to work on

Hi there Eleni, this article has quite a few issues, but rather than failing the GA, I'm willing to work with you to get it where it needs to be. Since you're a rather new editor—welcome by the way!—I thought it would be best to establish some standards for the GA, before we move into more specific things such as prose & coverage:

Sources

• Sources should be reliable and secondary (see WP:PSTS). You might consider installing User:Headbomb/unreliable, which highlights sources which the community has deemed unreliable or not-very-reliable. Also see WP:RSP#Shortcuts. The following are unreliable sources, which must be replaced:
  • Weibo
  • Instagram
  • Youtube

 Fixed

• Sourcing standards for WP:FAC are much stricter, but for GAN this should suffice.
• Sources need to be formatted consistently, at the moment there are some major inconsistencies
  • Don't use all caps in the title or author's name—use title case or sentence case, but pick one (title case is most common) for all of the references  Fixed
  • Sources in Chinese need a "language=Chinese". Ideally, they also need a "trans-title=" where you give the source's translated title in English  Fixed

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Hi Aza24, thanks for your effort of reviewing and recommending me the tool, it's super useful. I have removed and replaced the unreliable sources. I have also solve the formatting issues (capitalisation) of sources, as well as adding translated titles for non-English sources. --EleniXDD※Talk 05:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

General formatting

• Never link anything in a section header, i.e. do not link "Deutsche Grammophon" in "Signing with Deutsche Grammophon"  Fixed
• The infobox should stick to important and concise facts; we only need a single website listed, don't list the parents (they do not have Wikipedia articles of their own)  Fixed
• The lead should not have citations, see WP:LEADCITE. The idea is that the lead is a summary of the article, and since the article has citations, the lead does not. This being said, if there is anything in the lead, it must be in the article as well.  Fixed
• It's bad practice to have an empty section with a hatnote (Discography).  Fixed
  • Ideally, you should give a brief summary of his total albums/singles to date here  Done
• Images should always be next to relevant text. Done
• Yundi's Chopin Year 2010 image is next to text which talks about his life pre-2001. It should be next to text about 2010  Fixed

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Hi Aza24, thanks for the help. I have fixed interwiki linkings, infobox and image position problems. I will work on the brief summary for discography section. For the lead section, I have moved some of the citations away, the remaining citations can be moved after adding in the music style/pianism section you've suggested. --EleniXDD※Talk 06:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I have just added summarisation for his discography, and listed its main article. --EleniXDD※Talk 09:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Coverage

I see four major areas for coverage improvement:

1. Most importantly, there needs to be more discussion of the music it self. I would highly recommend having a something like a "Style" "Repertoire" or "Pianism". You need to have a place to summarize what he is known for, the repertoire he specializes in and his manner of playing.  Done

1. Personal life. There is essentially no information on his personal life, save for the prostitution allegations. I also wonder if the philanthropy section should be moved here  Done

1. His dissapearance. Yundi is known for kind of disappearing in the last 5–6 years (presumably around the time of his memory lapse). I see that you've even mentioned his "comeback tour", but you haven't explained/mentioned his stepping back from the public light. For instance, you don't even mention that Deutsche Grammophon dropped him (see here, also a really great source to use!)  Done

1. Profiles/broad sources. At the moment, most sources are covering very specific events in his career: specific recitals, recording updates etc. You should be using and incorperating information from broader profiles such as these: [1] and [2] (archived here). Ideally, we'd use books/encyclopedia articles too, but it doesn't seem like much is available in that case.  Done

• I know this is a lot, but these are the big things. After we get through this stuff, we can work on improving the text/minor formatting matters. Best – Aza24 (talk) 18:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Aza24, thanks for your hard-work on reviewing and giving construction suggestions. I have just addressed his disappearance -- in fact, as quoted by sources, his career was still progressing, and he’s still seen in public after his memory lapse in 2015, e.g. he had world tours after 2015 and had his debut in Australia and New Zealand in 2018. He disappeared during 2021 to 2022 was because of the alleged solicitation of prostitutes, and he was blacklisted in China. I have added the reason behind in the come-back tour part, "two years after he was blacklisted in China for alleged solicitation of prostitutes", see if this is sufficient for explaining the disappearance.

I didn't mention his first ended contract with DG, according to statement by Columbia Artists Management in 2004, the contract was supposed to originally end in October 2004, but extended till October 2009 to include CD recordings and DVD releases. And his album Noctures (released by EMI) was recorded in Nov 2009, shows that his contract ended and switched to EMI. Not sure sure whether switching contract is necessary to be included.

I will fix, expand and add other sections mentioned above. Once again, thank you so much for your help and advice. --EleniXDD※Talk 07:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I have just added the fact that he has a cat (family member) and his passion in food, which he thinks it's closely related to music (with his quotes) to his personal life section. I have also moved the philanthropy to personal life section. I will be working on his music style (pianism), and I am trying my best to find broad sources, as well as magazines/books about him--EleniXDD※Talk 15:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I have incoporated the two broad sources you've provided (thanks for finding them). I will continue to work on the style.--EleniXDD※Talk 05:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aza24, I believe I have fixed all the issues you previously mentioned and improved the article's quality. Can you please check it, thanks a lot!--EleniXDD※Talk 15:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I may need a day or two before I can get back to you. Best – Aza24 (talk) 03:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Take your time :D EleniXDD※Talk 10:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Btw @Aza24, I have a enquiry regarding to this article. Although Yundi's family name (surname) is Li (so the order is Li Yundi in Chinese), he was previously known as Yundi Li internationally and shortened to Yundi (his given name) since 2010. So I am thinking should his surname still placed front for the article's title, or moving from "Li Yundi" to "Yundi Li" seems better? Thanks --EleniXDD※Talk 12:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Eleni, I generally agree that the article should probably be titled "Yundi Li". It seems like he was mostly known as Yundi Li, especially in English-language sources. This n-gram viewer shows a minor resurgence in Li Yundi, but seems to prove that Yundi Li dominated for much longer and more prominently. Aza24 (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the data, it helps a lot. EleniXDD※Talk 14:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aza24, could you provide me some additional feedbacks and reviews regarding the article, when you are available. No hurries, I am just worried that you may forget. Take your time. Lots of thanks --EleniXDD※Talk 15:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience Eleni—my delay was vastly longer than I expected! It looks like some great improvements have occurred, I'm taking a look right now. Aza24 (talk) 05:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Made some edits myself so far. Expansion is good but may be too fragmented—we shouldn't have so many sections with 1–2 sentences. Sometimes the tone is a little unencyclopedic (see WP:Puffery). I'll take a crack at adressing some of these things tomorrow. Aza24 (talk) 06:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the work and improvements. Lots of thanks EleniXDD※Talk 16:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I further did some minor fixs of interwiki links. Thanks a lot for helping to fix the wordings EleniXDD※Talk 17:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem. So, the Repertoire section has some nice content, but it very choppy (many sections with just one or two paragraphs. Its unnecessary to give entire sections to his performance of single composers, aside from Chopin, where there is clearly an emphasis there. Some thoughts:

• Regarded by many as a Master in Chopin is not especially encyclopedic. And where is this "master" coming from? Think about it from a reader's perspective, reading that some one is a "master in Chopin" doesn't actually impart much information (what about his Chopin playing makes him a "master"). And who is he "regarded by"?
  • Instead, try to include a more nuanced sentence, something like "Many commentators/critics highlight Yundi's interpretations of Chopin" or maybe include a quote "Yundi is especially known for his interpretation of Chopin; [this newspaper says that]...
  • You don't need so many citations for these assertions, see WP:Overcite. 2–3 is more than enough. This goes for the 2023-present section as well
• "Yundi is especially known for his interpretations of Chopin, Liszt and Prokofiev" – you just said "Chopin" already
• Try to condense the Liszt, Beethoven, Mozart, Ravel, Schumann and Prokofiev sections into one. Instead of looking for specific quotes on each composers, look for more general observations to include.
• I like the summary in the Discography section, but now its probably too much. Really we just need a few sentences that summarize how many records, with who and since when. Does that make sense?
• The Awards and Honours is also rather choppy. This section may work better as a list.

Aza24 (talk) 01:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for all these detailed feedback. Unexpectedly I just caught a flu and now terribly sick. I will return to my wiki routine and fix these once I recover (may need some time). EleniXDD※Talk 17:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good! No worries, take your time. Aza24 (talk) 04:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Eleni, I'm looking at the runtime of this review and thinking it should be shelved for now. Feel free to look back at these comments at your own pace and renominate the article. Aza24 (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I will continue to work on these. EleniXDD※Talk 00:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)