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Blood type

How is this artists blood type relevant to an encyclopedia article? -- Longhair 23:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know... To whomever it may concern, I guess. Out of the small amount of information I have so far been able to get from her japanese website (yes, her website displays this), and taking into concideration that plenty of other artists' articles have similar information, I put it up. --Ifrit 07:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I now made a little trivia section. Better? I don't think it is. The main part is so empty, it needs every bit of info it can get. Any hints on what I can put in there? --Ifrit 07:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes. The information on blood type, if it must be included at all, is more suited to a trivia section. The intro currently mentions her "third" single? Perhaps information on her earlier singles and her life before becoming an artist could be included? How popular is this artist in general? Why was her song chosen to be used as a theme for an anime series? How well did her music rank in music charts? There's a lot to be explored and written about if you can find reliable sources of information to base your research on. -- Longhair 21:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
As long as her site is in Japanese only, this will be difficult. --Ifrit 17:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

When japanese people list personal datas they always include Blood type. It's like the Zodiac sign. For example:

Blood Type A: Calm, composed, level-headed people. Firm character, reliable and trustworthy.
Blood Type B: Curious and interested in everything. Can be wishy-washy. Will get interested and excited and get over things rather quickly.
Blood Type O: Peaceful and Carefree. Sets the mood when in groups.
Blood Type AB: Sentimental people who care about other's feelings. Can at times think about things too much. Very Sensitive.

Movie?

"YUI will soon be honing her acting and singing skills in a new movie that will be released in April called Taiyo no Uta or in English, Sun's Song." added by 24.83.146.3 - 01:50, March 10, 2006 24.83.146.3.

Anyone have a source on this? If not, I'm tempted to delete it. --Ifrit 23:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It's here: http://www.taiyonouta.jp/ (Japanese) --Karuikimochide 13:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
That site has some kind of error. The flash interface won't load here, even though flash is installed and working. Anyways, how reliable is this source? --Ifrit 04:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
That is official site of the movie "Taiyō no uta" (タイヨウのうた). There is a few more Japanese sources: Yahoo! Music News / Livedoor News / Livedoor Interview and Google search result for タイヨウのうた+YUI. --Karuikimochide 16:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Name

Moved all discussions having to do with YUI's real name to one section Cooldra01 (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Full Name

I just saw that her full name is listed on www.imdb.com as Yui Yoshioka (Yoshioka Yui), anyone know the source of this? A quick google search only led me here. The Yui Yoshioka here is definitly not her. --Ifrit 16:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Several Japanese pages describe her real name (本名) as Yoshioka Yui (吉岡唯)."[1]. But I can't find out any evidence. --Karuikimochide 19:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
In any case, her full name definitely needs to be on this article. There are a ton of sources using "Yoshioka Yui" as her full name. I doubt all of those can be wrong. Someone please add it. (12.148.227.250 (talk) 14:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC))
What sources say that? If you can find reputable sources such as news websites, magazines, newspapers, etc, for me, I can add it. Sorafune +1 17:41, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, I'm sorely tempted to add a [citation needed] tag her alleged name. I've found English sites listing her name as Yui Yoshioka, however those are Facebook and MySpace pages, as well as blogging sites and forums. Trying to find Japanese sites listing her name as 吉岡唯 (Yoshioka Yui) is much the same, albeit with much more debating going around. Either way, there is no proof of Yui Yoshioka being her real name. Indeed, this conversation happened on the Japanese wiki's discussion page, and the end result was lack of credibility of any of the sources mentioned. Perhaps we should take a leaf from their book and remove any mention of Yoshioka? Cooldra01 (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

YUI's real name

Please do not add her real name as Yui Yoshioka until there is an official source that says so. An image can easily have been doctored to say Yui Yoshioka. Unless a notable news agency or some such publishes proof from a primary source (such as the so called yearbook), it doesn't belong in the article. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 16:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Many Japanese sites seem to think it's her name. A lot seem to claim her family name is written 吉岡 and since there's at least a few ways to write Yoshioka (that I can think of), it seems odd that so many would choose the exact same Kanji. But I'm not a native speaker and it could easily be a rumor being filtered down from a popular site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.25.141 (talk) 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
For the benefit of other users and this discussion, I think this photo is quite relevant: Possible Yui yearbook picture with real name in kanji.Misterx2000 (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Her real name

Could you all please stop adding her name as Yui Yoshioka? There is no proof from her official website stating that it is her surname; as the person below this said before me, If there is no solid proof, don't add it. Miraeille | Talk to me~ 00:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Reliable Source of her Real Name

吉岡唯 (Yoshioka Yui) is indeed YUI's real name. An unquestionable proof is found in bianco nero's website. See reference. In case you don't know, she used to play with bianconero in Early Believers live house, which is just a couple of blocks away from ShinShin.
On the page her name can be seen in kanji and also, a picture of young YUI with her name tagged on it. (First gallery, image Nº6)


This said, there are no doubts about her last name being Yoshioka, but it shouldn't be a topic of discussion since her name has never been revealed by YUI herself or her staff and we should respect that decision. Kicchan (talk) 00:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Kauffner in this edit cites the Associated Press, which states, The 24-year-old pop sensation, whose full name is Yui Yoshioka.... AP is a reliable source. Yui's preferences do not enter into it. TJRC (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
In this case, AP seems unreliable. Numerous fan-sites have speculated and searched for whether Yui Yoshioka is or is not her real name, and the evidence stated above by Kicchan and a photo within tabloid magazine are it. I don't see how AP obtained this information, especially in such a short post. AP is not always reliable, as evidenced in their very own terms and conditions located here: [2]. To repeat, there are no solid pieces of primary evidence (or at least solid enough to be cited) of Yui being Yui Yoshioka, and AP being the US news service that it is, cannot be relied upon in this case. Even reliable Japanese sources (newspapers, etc.), do not state her name as Yui Yoshioka. Go to the discussion page on the JP wiki here, or on one of its archived pages for a similar consensus with similar reasons stated by editors above, a consensus which has lasted until you guys changed it a week or so ago. Cooldra01 (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Huh? Some Japanese editors discussing this issue back in 2007? How is that a source? Wiki goes by secondary sources, not primary. See WP:RS. Kauffner (talk) 15:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Bear in mind, this is one source in thousands that states her name is Yui Yoshioka. And those, "Japanese editors" have already thoroughly discussed the issue, and as far as I can tell, Yui has not come forth with her name, nor have any significant news outlets in Japan refer to her name as Yui Yoshioka. Cooldra01 (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Additionally, WP:RS states, "For information about academic topics, scholarly sources and high-quality non-scholarly sources are generally better than news reports. News reports may be acceptable depending on the context. Articles which deal in depth with specific studies, as a specialized article on science, are apt to be of more value than general articles which only tangentially deal with a topic. Frequently, although not always, such articles are written by specialist writers who may be cited by name" and "Whether a specific news story is reliable for a specific fact or statement in a Wikipedia article will be assessed on a case by case basis." Cooldra01 (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
First of all, there was earlier discussion that established a consensus for the version with her name, so it is poor form for you to be repeatedly and unilaterally reverting. The thousands of sources that don't give her name have no bearing on this issue. Discussion from 2007, before the AP published her name, is quite obviously not relevant either. "Scholarly sources" aren't writing about pop singers. The AP is the most authoritative source likely to write on this subject. She is given as Yoshioka Yui by the AP here and here, in her MTV bio, in the French edition of Cosmopolitan, and in Schwäbische Zeitung Online (a German regional newspaper). Pictures of her with her real name on them, the ones that gave her away, are here and here. The original source is the Japanese tabloid magazine Flash Exciting, which published an exposé back in 2007. The whole idea of Wiki is that articles should follow what the RS says about the subject. It is not necessary for us to prove anything or get the subject's permission. Kauffner (talk) 16:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
We don't need to get the subject's permission, nor to prove anything. However, it is vital we judge articles by a case by case basis, as explained in WP:RS. Good find on the French and German newspapers. But it all the more proves the very evident lack of Japanese newspapers as sources - which if Yui Yoshioka was her real name, should be the most prevalent source. And those two photos are in fact the ONLY proof that fans were able to dig up through 6 years. Her MTV bio is copied from AllMusic, and and which is also likely copied from the net, as a search on Google will yield much speculation on her name as Yui Yoshioka, but only one or two real sources. Cooldra01 (talk) 13:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
On the question of reverting, you forget the original consensus was not to use her "real name". You want to change this consensus, but despite opposition from Ryulong and I, you still want to revert my edit, which you should never have changed without a thorough discussion. There is no change without discussion here, as you have done, and therefore I will be reverting your edit once again until we can get this name issue solved. Cooldra01 (talk) 13:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

There is no reliable source in her native tongue, which should most definitely be the the first source we go to, to state that Yui's surname is Yoshioka. It is also an extremely bad case of original research to assume that the rationale behind using 吉岡唯 originally discussed here is the way to write Yui's legal name in Japan, particularly if we are basing it off of some Japanese stalker going through primary school yearbooks for someone who looks like and has the same given name as Yui, and we most definitely should not be sourcing things to a tabloid.

You may have tons of sources in English, German, and French, but those should not be used before a Japanese language source because this person is not American, German, or French. Your reliable sources, Kauffner, are once again in question because of the means you intend to use them.

And TJRC, you are applying WP:BRD completely wrong. Kauffner made the bold edit and Cooldra01 reverted it. You do not get to revert Cooldra01's revert and assume that Kauffner has consensus behind him.

And perhaps we should stick with WP:BLP. If Yui has not revealed her name publically, then Wikipedia has no reason to do it either. In an analogy, Joe Inoue may have a middle name of Yuta, because how many American Joe Inoue's were born in 1985? Because we cannot reliably source this information to a Japanese source, there is no way that I can include 雄太 on the article.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I have raised this issue on WP:RSN to see what should be done, rather than 4 people in a stalemate.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Her real name has been just a few clicks away all along to anybody who wanted to know. So this was never about protecting a genuine secret, but rather about giving her an aura of mystery for marketing purposes. This information has been published by the AP, which means that it has gotten all the way to the most mainstream of sources. So I don't see any reason not to put it in the article at this point. Kauffner (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
That may be, but it is most certainly not confirmed by the artist and her record label, so we should perhaps incorporate it as "Misaki Ito" was at Misia's page. And we should most definitely not report her kanji name, as we cannot adequately confirm that the 吉岡唯 on the Bianco Nero page is YUI.—Ryulong (竜龙) 21:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

YUI's second bleach song

According to YUI's information page on her website, the song "Rolling star" will be the new Bleach anime opening. I believe this should be slipped in somewhere since it is likely that "Rolling star" will be her next single or signal the coming of her next album. On a side note, is it unprecedented for an artist to have two credit sequence songs for the same anime? Gdo01 05:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Not unpresedented, has happened many times in the past... I can think of several artists or group... for instance Akeboshi and FLOW for Naruto. --Ifrit 16:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Do As Infinity for Inuyasha, lots of songs in Detective Conan, L'Arc~en~Ciel for Full Metal Alchemist (series and movie), T.M.Revolution and Nami Tamaki for Gundam Seed, just to name a few more. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 21:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I was looking for other cases of this. Gdo01 01:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do not add external links that fall under Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. If you are unsure, ask in talk. Otherwise, it will be treated as vandalism. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 16:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I think something has to be done about the constant edit war of the External links section. I propose warning all involved users/IPs. Misterx2000 (talk) 16:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Name in all-caps

Please do not modify an article before researching the subject of that article. YUI is a Japanese artist whose name is always written as YUI, with all-caps. Davedim (talk) 01:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Please take note of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#All caps which states very clearly and succinctly "Avoid writing in all capitals." I don't know how much more clear that could be. This artist's name is not an acronym, so we do not honor fUNkY CAPitalIZaTioN, even if it is "always written" that way. This article belongs at Yui (singer). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I agree that the article should be located at Yui (singer), but within the article itself, I think it should be YUI instead of Yui, because it is a trademark that isn't an English word. For example, the anime BLEACH becomes Bleach because it's an English word, but YUI is not, so we stick to the same format we do with MCI and eBay and iPod, which is to keep it as YUI. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
MCI is an acronym, so that one is not applicable. "Yui" is simply a name (her name, in fact), and therefore should be written as such per Wikipedia:Proper names#Personal names ("As proper nouns these names are always first-letter capitalized") and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)#General rules ("Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names.") "eBay" and "iPod" fall under the "Trademarks in CamelCase are a judgement call." point under the last link. "YUI" is not CamelCase, so that point does not apply. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
As long as there are no other articles called exactly "YUI", the (singer) tag is redundant. Also, now, linking to YUI ends up showing only the redirection page, which doesn't redirect automatically. This should be fixed no matter the outcome of this discussion. Anyway, YUI is not a personal name, it is her artist name. HIM is not an acronym either, does that mean that you should move it to Him (band) and change the entire article to follow suit? You referring to it as only "funky capitalization" makes me question your integrity and motive on this. Can you prove that her name is Yui? We've been trying for a long time to find a reliable source for her full name.. but that doesn't matter, because YUI is NOT her personal name, even if her real name is Yui. --Ifrit 13:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
HIM (band) is different, because there is more than one band named [Hh][Ii][Mm] (see the first two entries at Him (band) disambiguation page); so, case seems to be propagated more as a sacrifice to the Him (Finnish band) type of DAB which would be required if the caps rule was strictly enforced in that case. A better precedent is Kiss (band) more than anythimg else. In that regard, YUI is not any different, and the article should be at Yui (singer). Neier 14:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Kiss is a valid argument because Kiss is an existing English word, while Yui is not. I think people like Run-D.M.C. and Jay-Z are more similar, but not really that much more similar. Maybe more like Das EFX. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 18:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, Kiss is only ever written in all-caps to resemble the band's logo. I would argue that "YUI" is a trademark and so the article should stay where it is. I would give other artists such as MAY as an example. Davedim (talk) 05:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
If you think it is a trademark issue, then the discussion should end here. WP:MOS-TM already discourages all-caps in trademarks. Neier 00:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

All caps usage in Japan (and Japanese) is very peculiar. Witness: Puffy AmiYumi, Utada, Kitaro, Tomita, Plastic Ono Band, Pink Lady (band), Sony, Nissan, Toshiba, and Toyota. In Japanese, they would be spelled out in all-caps. But when translated into English they lose the all-caps. Why? Because all caps are reserved for special emphasis (or acronyms) in the English language. That is why YUI in Japanese becomes Yui in English. And YUI in English becomes YUI !!! in Japanese (with the multiple exclamation points). All-caps is tantamount to SHOUTING in English. Witness the American group Toto (band). The official website spells it with all caps, but nobody else does so in English. In Japanese, however, it becomes ja:TOTO (バンド) with all caps. That's why the name should be spelled Yui in English, even within the article text. And the article name should be Yui (singer).--Endroit 20:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOS-TM is pretty clear on this point. We do not confer special treatment on trademark holders, and it is customary in English to write names with a capital letter at the beginning and lowercase after that. "Yui" can be whatever she wishes on the Japanese Wikipedia, but on the English Wikipedia, she should be Yui, period.--chris.lawson 21:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Do we know what the practice is in the English-language press with respect to this singer? Joeldl 21:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Davedim wrote: "YUI is a Japanese artist whose name is always written as YUI, with all-caps." I don't think it's always written that way; rather, I think the artist writes it that way. Of course, Wikipedia isn't the artist's site, so we don't have to write it that way. The artist's CDs and posters and publicity write it that way, because they're under the artist's control, and it's good marketing to write things consistently. But Wikipedia isn't a publicity site, so we don't have to write it that way. We're also not a promotional site. So I don't see any reason for Wikipedia to use the same style as the artist or her promotional and publicity agents. Instead, we should just capitalize it the usual way as so many others have said. Fg2 00:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Her name really is always written that way. Even in Japanese, her name is written as YUI instead of ユイ. It wouldn't make sense to change the her name to "Yui" because "Yui" is not "simply a name". In fact, we can't even be certain of her real name. Also, like Wirbelwind said, YUI is not an English word, so we should stick to the same format we do with eBay and iPod. I would also like to point out that the practice in the English press in regards to this singer is to write it as YUI, with all-caps. Davedim (talk) 17:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
If you look at Yui (disambiguation), you will see that Yui is a common Japanese given name for females. There are 3 other people listed there with Yui (由衣 or 由依) as their first name.--Endroit 17:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but in this case it is not "simply a name" because we don't actually know YUI's real name. Davedim (talk) 19:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Does "YUI" stand for something? Unless the answer to that question is "Yes, YUI is an acronym for ... ", the solution to this is very simple: we follow established guidelines and keep her article on the English Wikipedia at "Yui", using English naming conventions.--chris.lawson 20:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Whether "Yui" is her real name or not is of no consequence, as her stage name is "Yui". It is the name she performs under. It is a name and therefore should be treated as such. The guidelines are clear that it should be written "Yui". Ka-ru 04:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Well then, in light of the above opinions, I'll accept that we should move the article to Yui (singer) but I think it would be inaccurate to list her name as "Yui" within the article itself. Davedim (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Per the discussion above, I've moved the article and made sure all the links are pointing to the right place. I also went through and disambiguated all the links to make sure there were no incorrect links. YUI and Yui both point to Yui (disambiguation) as it is possible for them to refer to more than one thing. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I stand by my view that it should be capitalized. While Yui might be her real name, YUI is her stage name. See the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:K.d._lang#Requested_move for another similar discussion that went the other way. Wikipedia is weird... many changes are made by someone going way overboard, then people saying "Woooah, bring it back a bit", so they do, even though the result of the compromise at the end is more than what should have been changed. I had hoped we could at least agree on a compromise to keep her stage name YUI in the article itself, if not in the article name (at least until her full name is officially revealed). --Ifrit 01:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree. In my last comment here I actually suggested that the article be moved to "Yui(singer)" but her name should be kept in all-caps within the article itself. Although, I still stand by my original opinion that her name should be written as YUI at all times.Davedim 13:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Purina would like us to write about ALPO® brand dog food instead of Alpo. Most corporations like to specify that their brand names be written in all caps and/or include trademark symbols, as they do in their press releases and promotional material. No professional publisher does this. It is not our responsibility to protect their trademarks and promote their products with special branding typography. --Tysto 18:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
According to her 'real name' her first name is Yui, and her name YUI is NOT an acronym. HIM (The Finnish Band) is in caps because it's an ACRONYM. I think we should just use "Yui" cause using "YUI" all the time makes thinks look immensely untidy and awkward in a Wikipedia article X2RADialbomber 07:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
What about the discography article? It now states "Name used: Yui", which is wrong. She has never used "Yui". --Ifrit 02:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, HIM is NOT an acronym. The band has specifically stated that it is not. --Ifrit 08:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd still like an answer to this.
*quick edit* In addition, even though I can't edit the article or the article name without some schmuck changing it back (edit wars are pointless, and that's the only reason I'm not doing it)... the article should really be moved to (musician) instead of (singer). --Ifrit (talk) 21:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Noone even checks this talk page anymore, do they? But I'd bet if I went ahead and changed all instances of Yui to YUI again, some shmuck would revert it. All I want is to make sense out of this whole thing and to write the name correctly. Like I've said, it is completely WRONG that the "Name used", as displayed in the discography article, is Yui. The name used is YUI. --Ifrit (talk) 22:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I would advise you to look arround better

almost everytime Japanese people use western characters (A-Z) they are written in all-caps so that Yui is Written as YUI doesn't really say anything at all. (unregistered user) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.29.142.208 (talk) 22:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

This is incorrect, as is a notion suggested above that Japanese put use caps for English names such as Utada, Nissan, Toyota etc. They simply don't, and I'm clueless to how you got that notion. On another note, and in response to all the above comments, everyone knows the MOS. However, I would argue the usage of YUI is somewhat more akin to a pen name then a trademark, and therefore exempt from that rule. Cooldra01 (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Trivia and miscellanea

==Trivia== {{Trivia|date=April 2008}} {{Unreferencedsection|date=May 2008}}

  • Yui's family consists of her mother and herself only. As for her father, he left them when she was roughly 3 years old. That's why when she moved to Shinguu she only had one other family member. She holds no memory of her father.
  • Yui plays guitar, drums and piano. She learned how to play the piano at the music school where she learned how to play the guitar.
  • Yui has about 7~8 acoustic guitars, 6~7 electric guitars and one bass guitar.
  • Yui feels more comfortable playing guitar and singing while sitting down, cross legged than standing or sitting on the chair. Sitting cross legged is her style of playing guitar.
  • Yui likes Marimokkori.
  • Yui is "addicted" to Welch's Grape Fruit Juice. She mentioned it on her dairy that she drank this during the recording of the album I Loved Yesterday.
  • Yui doesn't smile in CD covers and promotion videos (except for I Remember You, Che.R.Ry, Laugh Away, and Summer Song) often because she thinks her face looks chubby when she smiles.

===Profile===

  • Stage Name: YUI
  • Full Name: Yoshioka Yui (Not confirmed)
  • Birthday: 26-03-1987
  • Horoscope: Aries
  • Birth Place: Fukuoka, Japan
  • Height: 155cm
  • Blood Type: AB
  • Favorite Place: Shinguu Beach
  • Hobbies: Watching movies, reading, acoustic guitar, badminton

Removed the above from the article. If any of it can be incorporated into the article that would be best. Louis Waweru  Talk  10:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Most of the trivia would be hard to include, and relevant information in her profile section has been added. I would like to eventually include some of her hobbies, especially badminton which she played during her school years - right now her article is full of records and Oricon sales figures, but very little about Yui herself Cooldra01 (talk) 09:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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Way too many images!

I have never seen so many images in an article this size anywhere else in Wikipedia. For one thing, does this article really need four promotional posters/photos? And aside from that, four cover arts and a movie cover? Ok, what I'll do is remove all but one of the promotional images, and keep two album covers and the movie cover. And that's still an exception; all of the images are still non-free images, and not many articles at all have more than one non-free image.

And then the External Links... Why are there two forum/fansites? That's pretty much advertising right there. Especially for the last one, which is hosted on www.invisionfree.com. I'm going to go ahead and remove them, and if anyone disagrees with me for either removal of images or links, please reply to this rather than revert my edits without a word. --Eugeniu B (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the work, and good luck trying to keep the External Links under control...they're a magnet for annoying, repetitive edits like fansite adding! Misterx2000 (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The Multi-Instrumentalist issue

I took the liberty to remove "multi-instrumentalist" from her occupations. As taken from the wiki page "People who double on another instrument (e.g., guitar and piano) are not usually seen as multi-instrumentalists." Also, in Rock and Pop music "multi-instrumentalists are solo artists who overdub several tracks themselves, rather than hiring session musicians" Which is not the case. We know YUI as a guitarist, and that she can also play piano, on a basic level. The fact that she played a couple of drum beats at budokan doens't make her a drummer, and the fact that there are a couple of pictures of YUI playing a bass doesn't make her a bassist either. I this case I consider it an exaggeration. Kicchan (talk) 01:07, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

The most fundamental meaning of a "multi-instrumentalist" is a person who is capable of playing two or more instruments. I don't see how doubling on another instrument does not count as being a multi-instrumentalist?
On a side note, that multi-instrumentalist article needs a lot of work. The external link and the first link in references actually disputes what you just said. Oh, and hiya Kikino! Cooldra01 (talk) 07:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Re-formatting of both content and structure

I believe YUI has released enough albums that by her next release, we should have a different structure of formatting her biography then dividing it up by album titles. Given most of the current information is regarding Oricon sale figures, we can much simplify the article to deal more with themes and personal information rather then how much x single sold. This might be hard to do, but given the plethora of interviews that she has been through, there must be some information regarding her career. Cooldra01 (talk) 12:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Radio Personality?

Can someone expound on Yui's role as a Radio Personality? Does she host a radio program somewhere? AngusWOOF (talk) 23:12, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

YUI radio. Cooldra01 (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: withdrawn.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


Yui (singer) → YUI (singer) – Per the precedent set with DJ OZMA, individuals who go by fully capitalized names should be given the same exception to the norm as individuals who parse their names in all lowercase (a la brian d foy, bell hooks, will.i.am, etc.).—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment there is no precedent at DJ OZMA. A no consensus closure is not any sort of precedent. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose per arguments made at DJ OZMA -- WP:ALLCAPS and MOS:TM -- 70.24.248.23 (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Japan Times, Amazon, and Billboard give her as "Yui". The Associated Press also gives her as "Yui", although their story is referenced incorrectly in the article. Kauffner (talk) 07:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The guidelines at WP:ALLCAPS and MOS:TM seem to spell out pretty clearly that we don't use stylistic all-caps. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere that these guidelines don't apply to living people. --DAJF (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Nom has presented no strong basis for departing from the usual norm of capitalizing the first letter of a name. The suggestion that a discussion on the talk page of an unrelated article serves as precedent is inapt. This is particularly true when the discussion was closed "no consensus;" even if we were to treat this as precedent it would be as precedent that there is no consensus, i.e., the page would not be moved. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we use the common name as used in English-language sources, and Kauffner provides multiple instances of such sources using "Yui." Ryulong misses the point, in that usage in her primary market is not particularly material for the English-language Wikipedia, where the primary market is not in the English language. It might be material for the Japanese Wikipedia, but that's a separate discussion that should be held there. I'm not sure why Ryolong rejects Amazon as a reliable source; I think that depends on context, and am not willing to say that Amazon is categorically not a reliable source. In any event, Worldcat, the world's largest English-language catalog of published works, uses "Yui" ([3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]) and there is no question that it is a reliable source. TJRC (talk) 00:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Additional comment: While looking to see if there has been any discussion of Amazon as a reliable source, it was with some interest that I read Ryulong's comment "Clearly, Amazon.com's MP3 store is a reliable source for information on digitally released music." TJRC (talk) 00:12, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
      • That was in regards to the release dates and tracklists of American digital download albums. Not in regards to using Amazon.com's listings to source the preferred form of the name.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
        • Well, that's quite different from your categorical statement "Amazon.com is not a reliable source," which clearly even you don't agree with. I see no reason why Amazon is not reliable as to the names of the performers whose works it markets. What is suspect is the user-edited portions. In any event, it's moot, given the additional sources cited by Kauffner and me. TJRC (talk) 01:24, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
          • Amazon.com, on its own, should not be a reliable source for information on Japanese musicians. It can, however, be used to list the remixes or release date of Lady Gaga's newest single when an iTunes listing is not available. In the case for YUI and MISIA, it is a poor source.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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"Japanese name"

While I have withdrawn the move request, I have extreme reservations against Kauffner's insistance to state that "YUI" is the "Japanese name" or formatting the lead to have [[Japanese language|Japanese]]: ''YUI'' (or to use the full width characters, which are not allowed or something according to WP:MOS-JA).

This is a factual inaccuracy. Due to the current wording of the manual of style, the form "YUI" is not allowed, and there is currently no consensus to move the page to that title. So, as per WP:MOSTM (even though it should not apply to the name of an individual person) and the general practice on this project, the more common form of the name (in this case "YUI") should be featured in the article lead and be defined as the stylized form of the name. This is practiced on articles such as Ke$ha, Kiss (band), Florence and the Machine, Angela (band), Noah and the Whale, and others. This statement, that "YUI" is the stylized form of "Yui", does not require a reliable source. The fact that "YUI" is plastered across her website, and "Yui" appears nowhere, should be evidence enough.

Also, this is not a reliable source to state that "YUI" or "ＹＵＩ" is her "Japanese name". The article states that YUI appeared at a female-oriented concert and sang two of her then popular songs.

And yes, I have copied this from Talk:Misia (Japanese singer)#"Japanese name" because it is the same issue with Kauffner using the wrong sources to state something that is factually inaccurate and not verifiable.—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I do not understand why we would say YUI is the "Japanese name", also. Reliable or not, I don't even see how that source would lead us to say it. I think the lede as is now is fine? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 07:39, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
"better known mononymously as"? I guess that's better than being known polygamously. How about "whose stage name is"? Kauffner (talk) 08:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, "whose stage name is" sounds better. No need to use words like mononymously in the lede. Or at all. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 08:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
A "Mononym" is a single name with no surname. And as we have no reliable sources to state that "Yoshioka" is her surname or to show that the kanji form exists in reliable sources, I have removed it and restored the original wording.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move: Yui (singer) → Yui

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The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus in 24 days. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

– Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC) These moves would allow the Japanese singer to become WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "Yui". She got over 30,000 page views in the last 30 days, compared to 4,557 for YUI Library, 564 for Yui (name), 185 for Yui Station, and 161 for Yui, Shizuoka. The other options on the DAB would not normally be referred to as "Yui". In short, everything else is really small beer compared to the singer -- and YUI Library isn't even a plausible target for "Yui". Kauffner (talk) 20:25, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Ibi tribe got 100 page views in the last 30 days. Although I followed the Avatar episode, the outcome did not make much sense to me. Here there is no issue of renaming the Ibi tribe "Yui", so I don't think that precedent is relevant anyway. Kauffner (talk) 08:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Support. In addition to page views, I note that this article also leads in incoming wikilinks (overwhelmingly so, if you discount the impact of the transcluded {{Widget toolkits}} that automatedly generates links to YUI Library). Also, since I checked, I'll just document that the one erroneous link to "Yui," in the article for the Beatles song It's All Too Much, refers to the singer. I often consider such links in determining primary topic, because they're indicative of where editors expect a link to lead. In this particular case, a single instance (which probably ought to be delinked in the hatnote where it occurs) doesn't add much weight for me, but I thought it worth noting that it was checked. TJRC (talk) 19:22, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Just look at the present page Yui (disambiguation), and consider the confusion the proposed move might bring. How is there any advantage to anyone in losing the qualifier "(singer)" on such technical and ephemeral grounds as we see presented above? How is the reader interested in the singer inconvenienced by the presence of the word "singer"? Let's wake up and consider how Wikipedia works in the real world for real web-users, who might find the article they want through Google, and Wikipedia's well-placed articles there. The first Wikipedia article in current Google results searching on "Yui" is "Yui (singer)". What more does anyone want? More importantly, why do they want it? NoeticaTea? 02:29, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying that someone is likely to confuse Yui the singer with the YUI Library? The other uses of "Yui" are quite obscure. By this logic, we should have Barack Obama's article at Barack Obama (U.S. president) or Paul McCartney's at Paul McCartney (singer). Neither style is necessarily better than the other. I have the Britannica DVD and they put everyone's job description in parenthesis as you are suggesting. But it is not Wiki's style and I think the guidelines are quite clear on this. Kauffner (talk) 10:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
No Kauffner, I'm saying what I wrote. Are you answering my questions? Here they are again, numbered for your convenience:
  1. How is there any advantage to anyone in losing the qualifier "(singer)" on such technical and ephemeral grounds as we see presented above?
  2. How is the reader interested in the singer inconvenienced by the presence of the word "singer"?
  3. Let's wake up and consider how Wikipedia works in the real world for real web-users, who might find the article they want through Google, and Wikipedia's well-placed articles there. The first Wikipedia article in current Google results searching on "Yui" is "Yui (singer)". What more does anyone want? More importantly, why do they want it?
NoeticaTea? 03:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Noetica, the point is that the statistics cited above show that a person hitting Wikipedia for "yui" or "Yui", whether by putting it in the search box or using a browser shortcut, is most likely looking for the singer, and should by default go to the page for the singer. For the small minority (and the stats do indicate it is a small minority) -- those not looking for the singer -- a hatnote will alert that there are other articles on similarly-named subjects, and direct them to the DAB page to find them. That's the whole idea behind WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.
With respect, I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, "the point" is efficiently and rationally to meet the needs of as many readers as possible. Please answer the numbered questions I present above. NoeticaTea? 03:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Here's a similar example (although it's a redirect, the principle is the same): Berne Convention used to point here, on the ground that there are four different treaties that each are referred to as the "Berne Convention." However, Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works is the overwhelmingly most-used article among the candidates; and as a convenience to Wikipedia readers, the articles were renamed so that most readers get more quickly to the article they are seeking. The discussion for that move is here. It's not much different from this one, except in scale. TJRC (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Similar? How similar? Similar enough? Please answer the numbered questions I present above. NoeticaTea? 03:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Per Noetica and also because this appears to be a mechanical application based on an overly strong reading of a policy. Primary Topic should only really apply to subjects of "enduring notability" being absurdly disambiguated to accommodate very obscure ones (such as London and London (band)), not be a popularity contest between lesser known topics. As popular as this particular Yui is in Japan and surrounding countries, outside of that area, she isn't. I doubt most people will have heard of her.

The evidence that Yui only ever really refers to Yui (singer) is pretty weak - which is not surprising given that it's a very common first name in Japan. If we want to start throwing page visit numbers around, we should note first of all that this month, visits to Yui (singer) are up 50% compared to previous months and are a misleading guide. She's far from being the only "Yui" alive and famous today with a page on Wikipedia. If we combine the page hits for Yui Aragaki, Yui Horie, Yui Ichikawa, Yui Makino alone over previous months (there are other Yuis too) and you're getting up there with Yui (singer). And then as mentioned above there's YUI Library, only created last month and getting hits in the thousands, and the manga Corrector Yui with Yui Kasuga the main character. The proposed move simply doesn't fulfill the criteria from policy that the primary topic is much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined, to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. (YUI, by the way, refers to both the singer and the computer stuff, as the singer apparently likes to put her name in capitals.)

Another way of looking at it: if you do News searches on "Yui", the singer hardly dominates (remember to add &pws=0 to the google search string to get rid of personal search biases) - all kinds of people come up. If she were the primary topic, her name should be blaring out from the results pages.

By way of an analogy: Right now a reference to "Justin" without qualification is far more likely to mean Justin Bieber than anything else in English, but we're right not even to contemplate changing Justin to Justin (disambiguation) and making Mr Bieber the Primary Topic. She's chosen this single name stage name, but that doesn't mean we have to follow suit and abandon common sense on our page titles. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 08:08, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Well said, V. This sort of blinkered thinking at RMs is getting totally out of hand. See also the current one at Talk:Caillou‎, and many others in recent times. It's surprising how little traction we get by appealing to the needs of readers, or to the fact that this is an English-language encyclopedia for the whole world. Something systematic needs to be done; but the "legalistic" fraternity is unaccountably strong, and opportunities for narrow and unhelpful interpretations of current provisions are numerous. NoeticaTea? 08:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
253515/ (117 +253515 + 58801.5 + 3248 + 185 + 3223 + 8757 + 24984) = 0.7185
So Yui the singer is responsible for over 70 percent of the relevant traffic. Yui is a common given name in Japan, so you wouldn't use the search term "Yui" to look up someone with a given name of Yui. If you are looking for the YUI Libary and results entitled "Yui" and "YUI Library" pop up, you don't need a DAB. You already know which one to click. Kauffner (talk) 12:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Reply Kauffner, you're not using all of the Yuis. You should at the very least have included the ones I mentioned: Yui Aragaki 86226, Yui Horie 114703, Yui Ichikawa 26325 and Yui Makino 39775. That makes the calculation:

253515/ (117 +253515 + 58801.5 + 3248 + 185 + 3223 + 8757 + 24984 + 86226 + 114703 + 26325 + 39775) = 0.4090

which is only 40% and a clear failure of primary topic, and that's not including all the Yuis on wikipedia. Yui is, as you concede, a common first name for women in Japan; very few people in the modern world deserve primary topic treatment based on their first name, and that's usually aided by their first name being unusual and their notability clearly enduring. - such as Elvis redirecting to Elvis Presley. Your argument that Yui is a common given name in Japan, so you wouldn't use the search term "Yui" to look up someone with a given name of Yui simply doesn't make sense. Why not use the name of someone to search for them?

Indeed, as a long-term resident of Japan, If I saw "Yui" popping up in the offered search terms box - I wouldn't think of the singer first, but of the name. It simply wouldn't occur to me that a popstar largely unheard of five years ago had taken over the name in an encyclopedia. It would seem very odd indeed. I'd expect a disambiguation (It would be like Ayumi Hamasaki moving to Ayu, when the fish has been around for far longer and will be around for far longer). I'd rather the offered choice was between "Yui Library" and "Yui (singer)", because I'd definitely know what the second one was.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 14:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Extra note Kauffner said that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is not a gold star awarded for enduring significance, but enduring significance is an explicit criterion in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It states that a subject is a primary topic if it is has significantly greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. A popstar in her early twenties does not meet those criteria, in addition to the stats for 2010 not supporting the move.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
These objections were all made earlier and answered. But, sure, let's go around this dog track one more time. If you were looking for Yui Aragaki or someone else with a given name of Yui, you would not type in just plain "Yui". So people who are "Yui" only in the sense that their given name is Yui don't belong on the DAB. The educational exception is used when there is some established encyclopedic topic that is more deserving of the lemma. This was done with Avatar and The Day the Earth Stood Still. An editor already proposed that the Ibi tribe be made primary topic on this basis above. But if the issue is whether the DAB or the singer gets the lemma Yui, neither one of those would qualify as educational. Kauffner (talk) 16:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
That's a bit surreal - you didn't answer these points earlier at all. You haven't given any evidence for "enduring notability", the pagehits calculation you yourself put forward demonstrates that the singer accounts for rather less than 50% of interested hits once you add in more of the alternatives, and you admit that the singer does not meet the "educational value" criterion. The statement that these other people don't belong on the DAB is actually using wikipedia as a source - they're not there because we haven't put them there, which means nothing. It's incorrect to state that there is a requirement that DAB pages are educational. Rather, there is a requirement that any topic that displaces a DAB page is educational.

Other "Yuis" are, collectively, more prominent than the singer YUI, and that's even when she's at the height of her fame right now. Titling isn't simply about search functionality, it's a statement about the overwhelming meaning of the title. YUI isn't Elvis.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm completely tied up with things in the real world for a while now. I just want to say that in the end those pageview reports are a red herring. Nothing here rises to prominence as a "primary topic", considered globally; so why on earth avoid manifestly useful qualifiers, to inform the reader at a glance? I note that Kauffner rarely responds to questions concerning actual usability of the encyclopedia. We see this again and again. It's as if the readers' needs count for nothing. Even if I did have time for this, it would be futile. Kauffner maintains the same stance no matter what evidence or argument turns up. I don't call that collegial or rational at all. I'll check in later when I can. NoeticaTea? 20:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Presumably, "YUI" would be the most used search term for this individual, while other Yui's are suitable search terms for "Yui" as opposed to "YUI".—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
The other major relevant topic is YUI Library, so not necessarily. Googling Yui -wikipedia gives you the same result as googling YUI -wikipedia, so there is no way of knowing. Kauffner (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose: There are too many other people who have the given name "Yui" to remove the disambiguation on this page.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose—I don't think this subject is primary enough, especially considering all the other Yuis mentioned here and how common the name is. "Yui is a common given name in Japan, so you wouldn't use the search term "Yui" to look up someone with a given name of Yui"—uh, I would, not knowing how common Yui is. Why would I know that? It is odd to argue that Yui being a common name means that this is the primary topic for the term. I'm not convinced we should use disambiguating parens as often as Noetica would like, but this move seems too far. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 20:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
You should read WP:PTM. When people Google "Yui", the vast majority of the time they are looking for either the singer or the YUI Library. Everything on Google's first page of results is for one of these two topics. So Yui Aragaki and the rest shouldn't even enter into this discussion. Yui and YUI Library would be satisfactorily disambiguated titles, without any need to add "(singer)". The arguments that have been made against this move are mostly arguments against the whole idea of primary topic. Kauffner (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
This Yui is still not the only Yui out there, as there are plenty of other people with the same given name.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
This issue of what to do with people whose given name is "Yui" seems to be creating a lot of confusion. So here is WP:PTM: A disambiguation page is not a search index. Do not add a link that...includes the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion. For example, Baltimore Zoo is not included at Zoo (disambiguation) because people outside Baltimore would not readily identify it as the "Zoo", and including all zoos in the world in the disambiguation page is impractical. Wouldn't this be even more true if you tried to put all the Yuis on a DAB? After all, I don't doubt that they are all referred to as just plain "Yui" by family and friends. Kauffner (talk) 05:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
They probably are. But this is not the case for this particular Yui. This Yui has "YUI" as her stage name. "YUI" is probably leading people here.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
It isn't. Maybe it should. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 07:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I did not mean to imply that Yui should include a list of people named Yui. I hope I didn't give that impression. I don't see how I did. We aren't discussing that here, we're discussing whether to move this article to Yui—I don't understand why we're discussing this distraction. There's a list of some of the notable people named Yui at Yui_(name), which is linked to from Yui; that is probably fine. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 07:26, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. Since you all are throwing around page view statistics and even Google news searches, I thought I would put one as out as well. Simply imputing the word Yui into Wolfram Alpha will return a certain Yui (just Yui) born in Fukuoka, Japan on March 26, 1987 [9]. None of the other Yuis turn up any relevant results. Cooldra01 (talk) 11:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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Real name

It's conventional to put the subject's full name in the opening, yet here the information is buried in the body of the article. Readers will wonder why the conventional format is not followed, so there should be an explanation of some kind in the lede. Kauffner (talk) 03:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

This is the median between your insistence that the English language sources support the name, while the Japanese language sources omit it entirely. It is not being placed in the lede, and nothing needs to be mentioned in the lede concerning it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:22, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Or rather it's how I'm making it similar to how Misia's "real name" is being treated. We have no sources to confirm this information in Japanese, and for all we know the writers of those articles are using the English fandom's sources for the information. In short, deal with it because "Yui Yoshioka" is not going to be in the lead section.—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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