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--AP71 18:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)==Yuen Long New Town== While User:AP17 User:AP71 argued the Yuen Long New Town dose never exist , and eliminated the article thrice (also in Yuen Long Town and Yuen Long District), I would like to raise a discussion to avoid any edit war.[reply]

Evidence of existence of the new town

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Among 196 returns of Google search on "Yuen Long New Town" and 348 on "元朗新市鎮", here lists a few of them:

Government

Non-government

Argument on the existence of the new town

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From User:AP17 User:AP71's comment:

  1. because in Hong Kong no people call Yuen Long Town as Yuen Long New Town
  2. I live in Yuen Long, and Yuen Long Town is a new town of Government's new town, there were no Yuen Long New Town in Yuen Long Plain

First argument is pretty weak. Any single persons in Hong Kong named the Yuen Long New Town will make it end in contradiction. Apart from document presented about, there is an editor mention the new town in Yuen Long Town (oid 26185608).

Second argument poses the editor's personal experience over the factual evidences. There are articles on the Internet from both Government and non-Government entities as above.

A link to zh:元朗市 was given. The Chinese wikipedia article does not say anything on the existence of Yuen Long New Town, instead it gave a link to 元朗新市鎮, Chinese name of Yuen Long New Town in the external links section.

The editor's claim is groundless and hopefully the articles on Yuen Long New Town, Yuen Long Town and Yuen Long District can be restored.

— HenryLi (Talk) 15:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding of the issue is that there are three different entities here which calls for distinction:
  1. Yuen Long District -- a administrative region under the 18 (used to be 19) district boards;
  2. Yuen Long -- the town area within Yuen Long District along Castle Peak Road (Yuen Long section), including Kau Hui, which Hongkong people traditionally and still refer to nowadays as Yuen Long; and
  3. Yuen Long New Town -- one of the new towns as planned by the government during the 70's.
I would suggest that the former two are notable entities -- the first being a valid governmental/administrative region and the second being descriptive of a widely recognised area -- while the third, as well as other similar stubs such as Tai Po New Town and Tuen Mun New Town, borders on NN. Surely the appropriate article here would be New towns of Hong Kong to collectively describe the overall planning and implementation. Detail on the individual new towns can be covered on both New towns of Hong Kong and the respective area articles (ie Yuen Long, Tai Po &c.). The new towns are also worthy of a mention in the respective district articles.
As for the naming of Yuen Long, I am not quite sure. The English literature almost always refer to the area as Yuen Long rather than Yuen Long Town, but zh:元朗市 is not uncommon in the Chinese literature (though getting rarer these days). I would tend to name it as Yuen Long for this reason, but only just. --Pkchan 17:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First, I am not AP17... Second, In Yuen Long, there here only two towns, Yuen Long Town(People in Hong Kong call it Yuen Long, but it is this place.) and Tin Shui Wai. You can refer to the map of google. Yuen Long Town is the name who is given by Government, basically, the Government sometimes call this place as Yuen Long New Town but it is originally refer to Yuen Long Town.--AP71 09:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With due respect, AP71, I think you may have mixed up 2 different concepts. Yuen Long (Town), as you've rightly pointed out, refers to the town area. It is a reference to a geographical location, bounded by the reach of the town itself. Yuen Long New Town, on the other hand, refers to the city planning unit and covers the area within the government's plan as of that time to revamp and renew to accomodate the expanding urban population. The 2 names refers to different concepts even though in reality the boundary of the two may be very very close to each other. There is not an issue of the name of Yuen Long (town) being "renamed" somehow to Yuen Long New Town. --Pkchan 16:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But the planing of Yuen Long New Town project is located on Yuen Long Town... --AP71 18:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to say that Yuen Long New Town is located on Yuen Long Town, then I will rather interpret Yuen Long New Town is the expansion of the old Yuen Long Town. The Government official summary on New Towns (PDF) have stated it clearly. --Spring Dennis 08:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Yuen Long Town this topic can be removed--AP71 03:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Yuen Long Town (元朗市 or 元朗墟) locates within the limits of new town development, round the streets collectively known as 五合街. The Yuen Long Industrial Estate, Tung Tau Industrial Area, Long Ping Estate, e.g., is part of the Yuen Long New Town but beyond Yuen Long Town. — Instantnood 11:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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