Talk:You Were Never Really Here/Archive 1

Archive 1

Whether it was finished when premering at Cannes

Multiple sources say the film lacked closing credits and Ramsay said at a press conference that it was in fact unfinished.[1][2][3][4][5] Although I'd be happy to be proven wrong (e.g. by a more recent interview), a sourced statement should stay unless one is able to provide a more reliable source that says otherwise. Nardog (talk) 16:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Plot section poorly written

...and desperately in need of proofreading. A lot of parts are unclear and it amounts to confusion. Things are suddenly mentioned out of nowhere as if they had been previously mentioned and explained (what conspiracy? what agents? who or what killed the people who were looking for his address? etc). There are also grammatical and syntactical errors. For example, the phrase "son of Angel" is immediately followed by a description which is unclear as to who it's describing; is it the son of Angel or Angel himself? Please revise and clarify. Alialiac (talk) 07:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I've attempted to clarify a bit based on your feedback. Unfortunately, I don't remember in detail exactly what the conspiracy is or why Votto kills himself. If another editor can clarify, please go ahead. Popcornduff (talk) 07:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Wording

User Keith-264 seems intent on altering existing text contributed by various editors to poorly worded and confusing text. Per their request, and to cease a potential edit war, I'm bringing it to the talk page to hopefully gain consensus for one or the other. Examples of the changes being made are...

• "Police officers gain access to the room with the help of the desk clerk, before killing the clerk and taking Nina. One of the officers attempts to kill Joe, but is killed by Joe who then escapes." to "Police officers get into the room with the help of the desk clerk, before killing the clerk and taking Nina. One of the officers tries to kill Joe but Joe kills the officer instead and escapes." The common phrase is to "attempt to take a life" or "attempted to kill someone," not "tried to kill someone."

• "Joe finds that government agents have killed McCleary, Angel and Moises, in search of Joe's address. Arriving back at his own home, Joe discovers that two agents have murdered his mother and are waiting for him." is being switched to "Joe finds that government agents have killed McCleary, Angel and Moises in search of Joe's address. Arriving at his home, Joe discovers that two agents have murdered his mother and are waiting for him." Arriving at WHOSE home? One of the dead agents listed in the sentence before or Joe's? With a list of four names in the previous sentence, it helps to clarify that he's returned back to his own home early in the sentence.

• "Joe gives his mother a water burial. He loads his own pockets with stones and allows himself to sink into water with the intent of killing himself, but envisions Nina and swims back to the surface." is being switched to "Joe gives his mother a water burial. He loads his pockets with stones and goes into the water with the intent of killing himself but has a vision of Nina and swims back to the surface." "goes into the water" doesn't actually describe what happens in the scene. "goes into the water" could imply that he put his feet in the water for all we know. It explains nothing. In the movie, he uses the rocks to help weigh him down as he allows himself to sink. Also, while "has a vision" and "envision" do imply the same thing, "envision" sounds a bit more stylistic than "has a vision."

• Lastly, "Joe follows Williams to his country home and fights his way in, but discovers Williams with his throat slit. He discovers Nina seated at a dining room table, alongside a bloody straight razor." is being switched to "Joe follows Williams to his country house, fights his way in and finds Williams with his throat slit. He sees Nina seated at a dining room table, alongside a bloody straight razor." In both cases, Joe discovers Williams with his throat slit and Nina at a dining room table. With Nina specifically, he doesn't just "see" her at the table. He is actively looking for her and "discovers" that she is sitting in the dining room with the straight razor. That's a big difference than he "sees" her at the table. There's no indication there that seeing her is any more important that him seeing a lamp on a nightstand. Seeing her indicates nothing more than just visually acknowledging her and nothing more. NJZombie (talk) 16:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much,

• "Police officers gain access to the room with the help of the desk clerk, before killing the clerk and taking Nina. One of the officers attempts to kill Joe, but is killed by Joe who then escapes." to "Police officers get into the room with the help of the desk clerk, before killing the clerk and taking Nina. One of the officers tries to kill Joe but Joe kills the officer instead and escapes." The common phrase is to "attempt to take a life" or "attempted to kill someone," not "tried to kill someone."

"attempt to take a life" or "attempted to kill someone", attempt is a synonym of try. Keith-264 (talk) 17:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm well aware that they are synonyms. One is just a better sounding choice and the more commonly used wording.NJZombie (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Actually, we don't get to see whom he's giving a water burial to. After the prior scene, I actually thought it was the agent from the prior scene, with how they've been holding hands together, and also because he had to get rid of the bodies of the two agents. --2003:EF:1700:6273:89FE:476B:4C65:E603 (talk) 15:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)