Talk:You Really Got Me/Archive 1

Archive 1

Power chords

It was the first hit song built around power chords (Walser 1993, p.9).

"Rumble" by Link Wray (1957). Not sure if it was the very first, but it predates YRGM. Skyraider 20:04, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"rumble" includes no power chords ([1]). Joeyramoney 21:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Walser is a very poor musicologist and his books often contain major factual errors; among them, he claimed Les Paul was dead when, surprise surprise, he was not. Not the best source to cite.--70.38.5.59 05:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

What sort of proof do you offer that Walser is a poor musicologist? Hyacinth 18:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Parallel fifths :( 75.59.149.217 (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Riff origin

My pal Kaptainrok, a rock bore or aficionado has said that this line is inaccurate/plain wrong: " It was a variation on the similar chords used two years early by The Kingsmen with their hit "Louie, Louie", which was a major number in the Kink's stage act at the time.

Should this claim be amended?? -- max rspct leave a message 23:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't really see a great similarity either. I'm not a music theorist, but the songs' rhythms seem pretty different to me, and the riffs are totally unalike: "You Really Got Me" is F5-G5-G5-F5-G5, and "Louie Louie" is A-A-A-D-D-E-E-E-D-D.--Jacj 04:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed; I removed it. Equalpants 01:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The riffs to the two songs are similar in that both of them use stop-start rhythms. Going off an an tangent, "Wild Thing" combines the two by being a variation on Louie Louie for most of the song, but throwing in variations on "You Really Got Me" in a couple of places.

The statement that Ray Davies wrote the song while trying to work out the chords to Louie Louie doesn't sound right. Ray once said that it was influenced by Mose Allison more than anything else. http://www.creemmagazine.com/_site/BeatGoesOn/Kinks/UnravelsTheKinks001.html 4.173.240.101 03:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Remix

Pick'n'Mix: An Assortment To Suit All Tastes by Hexstatic has a remix of it, if you want to mention it somewhere on the page. --Midnighttonight 08:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Less female-friendly and more adult

What is the less female-friendly and more adult part supposed to mean? It sounds like a big generalisation and I take particular offence at the less female-friendly part "It was, however, the instrumentation which would catch the ear - more adult, less female-friendly than The Beatles and pre-empting the toughness of contemporaries the Rolling Stones, who were emerging at the same time but had initially relied on stage flair and cover versions to establish themselves." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.11.176 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 8 September 2006

It's bollocks, and thankfully it has been edited out. The impression I get is that the article was written as an essay back when Wikipedia was new, and is very slowly and painfully being transformed into an objective, sourced encyclopaedia article. -Ashley Pomeroy 18:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Page Controversy

just to stir things up, i had dinner at an indian restauraunt last night, and who should walk out but Larry Page, ex-manager of the kinks, and he confirmed it was Jimmy who recorded the solo. myth busted. haha. interestingly, he claims it was his idea for the bands name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harwood (talk • contribs) 02:01, 27 September 2006

Big Jim Sullivan probably made a contribution as well Overzeal 13:50, 8 October 2006

Right....and I'm Donald Duck Grymsqueaker 06:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 18:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: "on the recording is the source of one of the most controversial and persistent myths in all of rock and roll: that it was not played by the Kinks' lead guitarist Dave Davies, but by then-session player Jimmy Page. The solo was undoubtedly played by Dave Davies (then seventeen years old), as everyone involved in the July 1964 recording sessions for the track has always maintained.....":

If it is clearly not true that Page played this thing, then the entire paragraph should be deleted. TheScotch (talk) 07:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Cover versions

Oingo Boingo also covered this song on their album, Only A Lad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.58.39.110 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 17 October 2006

I have reduced these as brief entries under a single subheading, overcoming the problem of having section headings for just a sentence or two of text and treating more appropriately those versions that list little more than the release date and the fact that it was a different style to the original. I have also deleted album covers, which don't illustrate the subject of the article, and removed what I assume to be the No.1 singles before and after the NZ version's chart success. That chart sequence isn't relevant to an entry of the Kinks song. Grimhim 05:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted the Van Halen infobox, because it seems redundant. Apart from the mention of a successive single, it contains no more info than the text to the left of it. I sought comment at [Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs] under the subheading "Articles should be about singles, not songs", and the one response (!) supported my view that it wasn't helpful. Grimhim 09:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, TheScotch, but there's still no adequate explanation of why you'd change the name of the "Cover versions" section to "Non-Kinks versions". You said in your summary "the term cover is an inside industry term that doesn't mean what you think it means." Wikipedia's own definition of the term, at the succinctly-named Cover version, says: "In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded song." That phrase perfectly summarises the list of cover versions of the song. Grimhim (talk) 07:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Session Musicians

According to Ray Davies, the piano player on the song was Arthur Greenslade, not Jon Lord, and most sources say the drummer on the record is Bobby Graham, not Clem Cattini. There was also a third guitarist doubling (tripling?) the riff who Shel Talmy says was Jimmy Page, but Ray remembers being named Vic or Al, depending on which interview you're reading. He's adamant that Page wasn't on the session, though.

Both Page and Lord were on the You Really Got Me album, though.4.167.227.107 06:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The drummer certainly was Bobby Graham. Mick Avory, the group's drummer, played tambourine. Arthur Greenslade played the piano. So there could have been another guitarist? I doubt whether he was the excellent Vic Flick or the equally excellent Alan Parker, it was almost certainly Big Jim Sullivan. Very little product was released by a big company in the 1960s without Jim playing guitar. To quote Shel Talmy - "Big Jim Sullivan was the guitarist I was using. He was really the only one at the time who was worth using." Overzeal 10:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Big Jim Sullivan definitely claims to have played on the track. [2] However, given the controversy over who played on this song, I think this would need to be confirmed by a verifiable source. --GentlemanGhost 09:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

At least one source ([3]) lists Perry Ford as the piano player. Looks like the only session musician everyone agrees on is that Bobby Graham played drums. SlubGlub (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:VH You Really Got Me.jpg

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Rationale provided. Grimhim 09:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Sanjaya Malakar cover version

Entry says this artist's cover of "You Really Got Me" was released through iTunes, and as a single and album. Is this true? I can't find the song through iTunes and neither this single nor a self-titled album are mentioned at his Wiki entry; nor are they available through Amazon.com.Grimhim 08:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

If this version was only broadcast and not recorded for an album, I will remove it. If in a week I do not find proof, the mention of an "utterly horrendous" version will be removed. I honestly don't feel that it is necessary, or wanted, for an encyclopedia. Trekkie4christ 19:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can gather this song, along with other songs he performed on the show, were available for a limited time on iTunes. I removed this cover version repeatedly from the article and also deleted it from the "discography" at the artist's Wiki entry on the grounds that it was never a physical album but merely a television performance. I got worn down in the end from what resulted in an edit war at the artist's page and gave up, concluding (1) there is a valid issue about whether a song (or album) actually needs a physical release to be counted as a recording and (2) Malakar was a controversial contestant on a very high-rating show, due in large part to criticism over whether he actually had singing ability or not, and thus how he continued to remain on it. His version of the song, therefore because of its awfulness provided it with notability it otherwise wouldn't have gained. The (fully sourced) references to Malakar's horrendous performance therefore are relevant and deserve to remain. Grimhim 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they aren't fully sourced at all. Neither reference mentions the song or the performance. They simply reference the fact that he was widely reviled and eventually voted off the show. You need to find sources that discuss that particular performance. - Richfife (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen American Idol (and never will), but some quick research indicates that he received a reasonably positive voting response for his performance of the song. Unless you can prove that this was as a result of a conspiracy, it counteracts stating that he sucked as if it was a fact. Also, some people (Jennifer Lopez, for instance) felt he was a good performer. - Richfife (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Then you've done more research than I did on his performance of that song. If it didn't gain notoreity because of its awfulness, then all reference to his performance should be deleted from the You Really Got Me article. Every TV talent show is built around nobodies performing cover versions of songs by major artists and it would be ludicrous to think that every such a performance would be notable. Because there was no CD release and had, at best, a very limited availability on iTunes, his performance has no permanence and doesn't warrant a mention in Wikipedia. Grimhim (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Spanish movie title in "Popular culture" section

Can anyone verify the claim that "Deveras me atrapaste", the name of a Spanish film, is a direct translation into Spanish of "You Really Got Me"? Neither Google translation nor Babel Fish back this up.

"De veras me atrapaste" seems to be the song's Spanish release title. [4] 202.94.132.19 (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)