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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:53, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Koopastar (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Koopastar (talk) 05:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: Hi, Koopastar. I'm interested in reviewing this article. Please make sure the hooks are linked in the body of the article. I don't see ALT1 fully linked in the article. I see portions of it unsourced in the lead instead. How do you feel about removing all the other links from ALT1 so that only You Liked This (Okay, Computer!) is linked? This could help increase traffic to your nomination and prevent people from clicking on the other links instead. Viriditas (talk) 00:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector: Following your suggestion of removing the links, I propose the following hook:
  • ALT1a: ... that the music video for "You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)" ends with an anthropomorphic lizard on the Moon alongside the phrase "Wake Up Sheeple!" on a billboard?
Also, the hook isn't from the lead but rather is sourced in the music video section, from "anthropomorphic lizard" to the end of the first paragraph, followed by the article additionally supplemented for this DYK nomination. If this is incorrect in a way that I don't realize though, apologies. Koopastar (talk) 01:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Koopastar, I think you meant to ping Viriditas here, they are reviewing your article, not me. Cheers! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, copied the ping function from my previous nomination since I'm not used to DYK not having a reply function yet. @Viriditas: Here's a proper ping. Koopastar (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, in response to the above, I was talking about ALT0, but typed ALT1 by accident. ALT1 checks out. Like you said, the content for ALT1 is in the music video section. I still can't find ALT0 sourced. Viriditas (talk)
The lead content used in ALT0 is a rewording of the first sentence of the composition section, which is sourced by [7]. I opted to have the lead be different phrasing of the body so as not to create redundancy, but if necessary I can copy or swap the phrase down to have it be behind a source. Koopastar (talk) 20:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some nominators will duplicate the ref just for the DYK, and after it appears in the main page, they will remove it. This shows the reviewer and others that the hooks are cited, even if it unnecessarily duplicates the ref for a brief period of time. Viriditas (talk) 21:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both alts should be good now, as I made an edit to the article. Koopastar (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will finish up the review now. The only question I have is about the use of interview sources to support this material, which is sort of tricky since they ride the line between primary and secondary sources, and I tend to want to see secondary sources for hooks, however, I'm not seeing anything that is controversial or unusual, so I think we are almost good to go. I'll ping you if I have any questions. Viriditas (talk) 21:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Koopastar: Thanks for your good work on this article. I have a few questions:
  • Not a big deal, but in terms of reader expectations, I did expect to see a mention of either the spoken word or musique concrète genres (or both) in the lead. I realize you have them in the infobox, but as a fan of musique concrète, I was wondering why it was absent from the lead. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2021, Will Wood took inspiration from Radiohead's "Fitter Happier"...In tribute to his inspiration, Wood directly included the song's origin album OK Computer (1997) as part of the title in parentheses.
  • I see why you wrote it this way, but I'm concerned the general reader might be a touch confused. I always try to write for a reader that knows nothing about the topic. In this regard, you don't say "Fitter Happier" is a song or track; could you specify this outright? It may seem obvious to you and I, but not everyone is a music maven. Also, it is slightly confusing that you wait until the end of the paragraph to tell the reader the name of the album. How about adding that "Wood took inspiration from Radiohead's song "Fitter Happier" from the album OK Computer (1997)" at the beginning? And then at the end, simply saying "Wood directly included the song's origin album as part of the title in parentheses", since we already know that? It's okay if you disagree, but it did stand out to me after reading the article several times. Viriditas (talk) 22:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following "Cicada Days" in May 2022, Wood began teasing the release of the new single on YouTube.
  • Same thing here. Maybe "Following the single "Cicada Days"..." I realize that sounds redundant given what follows, but I find it helpful to prompt the reader, especially those who don't know what "Cicada Days" is here. Viriditas (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The single was published on June 10. On "In case I make it," (2022), it appears as the tenth song, which is followed by "The Main Character" as a thematic successor.
  • A bit of narrative, chronological continuity might help here. "The single was published on June 10, 2022, followed by the album In case I make it on July 29, where it appears as the tenth song..." Do it however you want, but I was curious about the dates here. Viriditas (talk) 22:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Standing's voice is represented by a wired mannequin head with screens, who begins speaking over sheep jumping across a fence
  • Should "screens" be "television screens"? Should "begins speaking over" have "begins speaking over images of sheep jumping across a fence", added? I've never seen "screens" used by itself here. I've seen computer screens, television screens, etc. Maybe I'm just dumb? Viriditas (talk) 23:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The video was written by Wood and Horvath as a story, contrasting live performance music videos. He took inspiration...
  • Review:
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Good to go. Prefer ALT1a but ALT0 is fine as well. ALT1 is my third choice, but is also fine. Viriditas (talk) 22:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

information Note: @Viriditas and Koopastar: I believe both ALT1 and ALT1a fail WP:DYKFICTION, and ALT0 is rather difficult to parse. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. I missed that one, but caught it on the second nom, where we are now trying to work out a real world hook. I crossed out my approval up above. Koopastar, let's get some new hooks focused on the real world. Viriditas (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Here are some newer hooks. Koopastar (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Koopastar: Thank you. I apologize for the extra time you have had to put into this. Regarding ALT2, I think it would be best to rewrite it as it is confusing in its current form. The takeaway for me is that Bev Standing 1) was the original text-to-speech TikTok voice, and that 2) she worked with Will Wood to provide the voice for "You Liked This". I'm not convinced we need to mention her voice was used nonconsensually by TikTok in the hook as that is entirely tangential to the song here, and you already link to that background info when people click on her name. Viriditas (talk) 20:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Here's that one rewritten:
Koopastar (talk) 21:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Koopastar: I like it, but to increase hits and visits to your article, try to reverse what you wrote, with the link to the song in the beginning. ("... that Will Wood's song...features Bev Standing...) Viriditas (talk) 21:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: How's this? Koopastar (talk) 21:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Approve ALT2b. ALT2a and ALT3 also okay, but second choice. I do not like ALT2. Viriditas (talk) 21:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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