Talk:Yolanda Soares/Archive 1

Archive 1

References

The article currently lacks any reliable references for personal information, such as the birthdate. Per WP:BLP guidelines, any information not supported by independent reliable sources will be removed. Addition of information will require references. — CactusWriter | ^needles 17:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

speedy deletion/hangon reasoning

An ip keeps re-adding a tag to speedy delete this as a hoax, while at the same time removing references and making a mess of the article. I have twice declined the speedy and tried to engage them in conversation about this, to no avail. Ms. Soares does indeed have her own page on the Universal Music Group website [1] so I don't see how anyone can claim the entire article is a "blatant and obvious hoax." Beeblebrox (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.free-press-release.com

The website free-press-release.com has no editorial control over its published text. This counts as a self published source as mentioned above. If you are tempted to re-add this material please reach a consensus here first that this can be an exception to the reliable sources policy. Fæ (talk) 13:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.pubarticles.com

A simple whois check on www.pubarticles.com shows that it is registered to "Hikaru Okazaki" in Japan. Now, hang on, free-press-release.com is registered to "Hikaru Okazaki" in Japan. Before adding any more rubbish sources to this article please check any website for it's declaimer. Here's the one for this site:

• PubArticles.com does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy completeness, or usefulness of any information or product represented on this site. PubArticles.com does not endorse or recommend anything. The views of the authors that have submitted their articles to this site are owned by them alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of PubArticles.com, its management team or owners. Further, PubArticles.com does not recommend any product or service found via any advertisement within this site. If you have an issue with someone stealing your original work, please contact us and we will remove the article in question right away.

And here is the one for free-press-release.com:

• All press release information on this site, including free press release and premier press release, is solely based on what our users submit. Free-Press-Release.com disclaims that any right and,is solely based on what our users submit. Free-Press-Release.com disclaims that any right and responsibility for the information go to the user who submit the press release. Some press release may be confusing without additional explanation. You should contact the provider with any questions about the information presented. In case some press release demages your benefits or violate your rights in any way, please contact us and we'll remove it immediately. (Spelling error is theirs, not mine).

In other words, you may as well be quoting an open forum for as much as this site is worth. Please do not add any more of these poor sources to the article without taking responsibility for checking it yourself; it wastes far too much time of other contributors. Further additions will be treated as vandalism. Fæ (talk) 19:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Cultura/Interior.aspx?content_id=7803

This source has twice been deleted from the article as "hearsay". It appears to be a forum/blog site and the referenced article an unreliable blog post, but I would welcome opinions as to the reliability of this website as a source from those skilled in Portuguese before fully supporting the case for keeping this source out of the article. Fæ (talk) 16:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The term "hearsay" is misused here. Heresay is information about someone based only on reports by someone else with no personal knowledge. Notice that the sentence in question in this article begins Soares credits her parents... which only requires a credible primary source -- that is , Soares herself. I see that in her own biography she makes this claim. The reference being removed does not appear to be a blog but rather an interview with Soares for the culture (Cultura) section of the Portuguese weekly newspaper Sol (newspaper) found at[2]. Seems like an acceptable reference to me. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 22:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

As the claim is in her own biography as well as this source, I would support it being left in the article. Considering the anon IP that removed this source went on to deliberately introduce errors on the page and is a similar address range to a previous anonymous contributor, I no longer think their dispute has credibility. Fæ (talk) 22:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hoax articles

Please do advise what hoaxes you are referring to. The World Cup 2010 concert ? if it is published on a CABLE COMPAY WEBSITE why would it be a hoax ? http://beta.mnet.co.za/ChannelO/ChannelArticle.aspx?AId=25930Annabella Sinclair (talk) 18:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=112553&messages=89&page=1&desc=yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.5.236.1 (talk) 23:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

There have been a number of recent hoax press releases mentioning Yolanda Soares on the internet. This is a reminder that Wikipedia biographies, especially BLPs require that all information be properly referenced to reliable sources. Press releases are considered to be self-published, and WP:SELFPUB sources should be avoided. — CactusWriter | ^needles 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Complaint from anonymous IP address

Collapsed thread, complaint investigated and closed.

I received this complaint today (twice) on my user talk page from the same anonymous IP address that previously vandalized the article. I would welcome some independent comment and advice. I note this complaint has also been pasted on User talk:Jameslwoodward and on this talk page. I find it almost anectodical the degree of things you write in or remove from Wikipedia without serious investigation. I am Alex Fan Moniz, AUTHOR of half of Yolanda Soares' most recent album Metamorphosis. I have raised your allusions to my name being involved in alleged hoaxes against this artist to the legal dept of the Swiss Authors Society where I am registered (www.suisa.ch)as your comments are totally unacceptable and inacurrate. […] (remaining text removed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.4.237.247 (talk) 11:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC) —Fæ (talk) 11:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC) As this now appears to be a complaint about legal matters, I have raised for attention on WP:ANI as this is the guidance of WP:NLT. Fæ (talk) 11:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC) And I have removed part of the text above, and its duplication below, as it contained potentially libellous claims against the article subject, which were not being cited to reliable sources. I'm also removing part of the "hoax" notice tag at the top of this talk page, because it in turn contained a possibly sensitive claim about this "Fan Moniz" person. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC) I received a similar complaint on my WP talk page. My response there was: "I don't have a clue what this is about. I think my only involvement with Yolanda Soares was at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Yolanda Soares 2008.jpg where I cleaned up a malformed closure of the deletion request. I expressed no opinion or even comment on the DR. I certainly made no comment whatever about this being a hoax. My name does not appear at all in the revision history of Yolanda Soares." I will say, speaking carefully, that I do not understand most of the complaint and would just as soon stay out of it as I had such a small and neutral involvement. At Wikipedia:No legal threats it say that Users who make legal threats will be blocked until the matter is resolved. If this were on Commons, I could do that, but I'm not an Admin here. I'll drop a note to User:Nyttend who is an Admin here and active on Commons. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Some time back, I blocked someone for legal threats, raised the issue on ANI for review, and was told (rather kindly) that a block wasn't warranted. I hesitate to block when unnecessary, but it seems reasonable to block here, so I'll support someone else doing the blocking if it's seen as necessary. Nyttend (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC) I'll certainly block if the IP creates any more trouble. It's just that technically it's a highly dynamic IP range. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC) In other words, there's a higher-than-average chance of the IP being reassigned to an innocent person? I've never understood the technical side of IPs very well. Nyttend (talk) 16:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Should anyone actually have taken the time to visit the web page of the article subject, LYRICS section, it is clearly shown as the author of 7 of the lyrics on the new CD Metamorphosis.I do not see what all the fuss is about. As a registered author of lyrics the frustration vented by the lyricist are quite fairly justified. Since when is there anything wrong with someone trying to protect their own rights ? The American Bill of Rights as well as the human rights Act allow for this, or have many of you forgotten this ? How on earth can this " seems reasonable to block here " even come into context ? This is the year 2010, not the year 1510. I am not an expert on IPs, however it seems many people could use a server that records the same IP, so potentially libellous claims against by Alex Fan Moniz are a real and fair and there is no point to try and dispute that not only Wikipedia have "rights". Guess I will be blocked as well for voicing my own personal opinion.Simongad (talk) 18:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC) First, yes, this new sock of yours will be blocked in a minute, but I'll let you answer just one more time here before that. Second, you are not being blocked for claiming that you wrote those lyrics. You are blocked for making other claims about the singer that were potentially libellous, and most likely fake. Third, you have never, ever, shown reliable sources for any of your claims – neither those about yourself, nor those about the singer. Fourth, no, there is no "lyrics" section that I can see in the subject's web page ("http://www.yolandasoares.com/"), and it doesn't mention any "A.F.M." anywhere. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC) To explain Fut.Perf's comments further — while we may disagree with you, we don't have any plans to block anyone for these opinions. If you're blocked, it will be because of your violation of our no legal threats policy, which says that individuals making legal threats are liable to being blocked. By the way, please be aware that the U.S. Bill of Rights says nothing about copyright; the only relevant portion of the U.S. Constitution is Article I, Section 8, Clause 8. Nyttend (talk) 19:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Pity the ignorant fool who is unable to navigate a website Fut.Perf., especially when there is an english version, where you go to the jukebox and select your lyric options(Oh, by the way, this is not a sock puppet, please visit my website ), thus, it is a pleasure to substantiate the claims of lyrics being written by Alex Fan Moniz, ,, , , and so forth and so forth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simongad (talk • contribs) 07:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC) It is not normal to add footnotes in a talk page discussion, however I have grouped the ones used here so they can be viewed: —Fæ (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC) These complaints do not seem to relate to the current article and as there is now no mention of any name with regard to previous hoax activity there seems nothing to complain about. I believe the matter is closed. Fæ (talk) 08:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC) Ah, okay, so there is some mention of AFM on Soares' website after all. Simongad, there is no need to engage in silly name-calling just because you failed to point to those files properly when you first mentioned them and so I couldn't find them at first (You talked about a "lyrics section", which indeed doesn't exist). Please learn that we cultivate a respectful and polite working atmosphere here (WP:Civility, WP:No personal attacks). So, good. AFM wrote some of Soares' lyrics. Since the article never claimed anything to the contrary, there's nothing he has to complain about. This doesn't change the fact that AFM was engaging in vandalism of this article and making other unsubstantiated negative (and likely defamatory) claims about Soares, so he will be blocked if he continues. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

more debate . http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=112553&messages=89&page=1&desc=yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.5.236.1 (talk) 23:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Birth date

The addition of a birth date has been reverted several times now. Please note that MySpace.com can sometimes be used as a source for basic information if it is a person's official webpage. However, www.yolandasoares.com appears to be this person's official website. Additionally, the MySpace page for Yolanda Soares, does not show an exact birth date. This information has been removed per our policy on biographies of living people. It should not be re-added until a reliable source can be provided. Thank you. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 15:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

An'R Award Fraud

This AnR/AMMA (which has nothing to do with respectively AMA or A&R, two real music entities in Australia) has now reached Portugal, adding to the UK, USA, South Africa, Australia and believe it or not; this wannabe starlet Yolanda Soares even managed to get a sponsorship from Montepio bank, a 200 year financial institution by bragging about the "prestigious" AnR Award of Excellence. Well more precisely the fraudulent, fake, preposterous and pathetic sticker:

http://www.montepio.pt/ePortal/v10/PT/jsp/montepio/patrocinio2.jsp

Montepio bank's sponsorship managers know about this scam and guess what... they still have it on their Institutional page!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonsetons (talk • contribs) 09:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Websites

please refer to the following rules and guidelines in using SELF PUBLISHED WEBSITES as references ! WP:SPS WP:SELFPUBLISH WP:BLOGS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simongad (talk • contribs) 13:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Simongad, I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Some Self-published information is allowed as a source in biographies of living people. Please reread the links you have listed and refer to WP:BLPSPS. Additionally, the person's official website is permitted as an external link and in the infobox (see WP:ELOFFICIAL and Template:Infobox musical artist, respectively). I have also removed the text you added about a failure to graduate. Without any reference, this is apparent original research -- and, typically, biographies focus only on what a person has done -- not on the infinite number of things a person has not done. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 19:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, however I am clearly under the impression that any website that allows the buying/selling of a product is not permitted ?Simongad 12:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simongad (talk • contribs)

No. There is no hard and fast rule. In general though, if the primary purpose of a webpage is to sell a product or service, than we try to avoid linking to it. (Note that this is only for that individual webpage -- whereas other webpages on the same website may be acceptable.) But there is no absolute prohibition against links to potentially revenue-generating web pages. Choose which pages to link based on the immediate benefit to Wikipedia readers that click on the link, not based on the organization's tax status or your guess at whether the website's owner might earn money from the link. External links should always be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. There is more advice about this issue at WP:LINKSTOAVOID and WP:ADV. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 21:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Blogger's accusation

Fraud charges: Yet another article about this individual which doesn't award (literally) anything good. I assume because it is a blog, Wikipedia will not consider this as an official source of information. I do suggest however, that Administrators consider this person's profile for Deletion again. Yolanda Soares clearly has a string of offenses, namely proven hoaxes attached to her name and of her own creation. Not worthy of being on Wikipedia, wouldn't you agree? yolandasoaresbythemusic.blogspot.com/

Immediate 08:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immediate (talk • contribs)

No. An unassociated blog page is not a reliable resource for encyclopedic information. Citing any information from it is a violation of Wikipedia policy -- in particular, policy on biographies of living people and external links. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 17:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

<REDACTED> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.6.10.34 (talk) 13:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there any point in re-posting this here? Unless you are prepared to provide reliably sourced material, any accusations will be excluded from this article under the Biographies of living persons policy. --Fæ (talk) 13:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

@IP:41.6.10.34, I have redacted the external link per our guidelines at Wikipedia:Linking to external harassment and WP:BLPEL. It is not permitted to link directly to an harassment page. If there are proper independent reliable sources about information for this biography, than present them. Otherwise, as User:Fæ states, there is no point to this as far as Wikipedia is concerned. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 18:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:AGF, WP:STICK, WP:IDHT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.6.141.135 (talk) 08:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)