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Titles of Immediate Family Members

Garwa Padmi (The Queen) : Gusti Kanjeng Ratu
Garwa Ampeyan (Concubines) : Kanjeng Raden Ayu
Putra Mahkota (Crown Prince) : Kanjeng Gusti Pangeran Adipati Anom
Son / Daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Padmi : Gusti Raden Mas/Gusti Raden Ajeng
Son / Daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Ampeyan : Bendara Raden Mas/Bendara Raden Ajeng
Son of the Sultan (prior to his initiation as Crown Prince) : Gusti Bendara Pangeran Haryo (GBPH)
First daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Padmi : Sekarkedhaton
Second daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Padmi : Sekartaji
Third daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Padmi : Candrakirana
First son of the Sultan from Garwa Ampeyan: Bendara Raden Mas Gusti, after marriage his title changes into Gusti Pangeran.
First daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Ampeyan: Bendoro Raden Ajeng Gusti, after marriage her title changes into Pembayun
Oldest daughter of the Sultan from Garwa Ampeyan: Kanjeng Ratu.

Titles of Extended Family Members and the Descendants

Male family members of second to fourth generations: Raden Mas, after marriage the title changes into Raden or Raden Tumenggung
Female family members of second to fourth generations: Raden Ajeng, after marriage the title changes into Raden Ayu
Male family members of fifth and subsequent generations: Raden Bagus, after marriage the title changes into Raden
Female family members of fifth and subsequent generations: Raden Roro, after marriage the title changes into Raden or Raden Nganten

Title that is bestowed upon and cannot be passed on to the next generation

Male: Kanjeng Pangeran Haryo

To be reinserted it needs a reference - great information - but no backup Satu Suro 04:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2 Principalities Is Wrong

During the era of Dutch occupation there were two principalities, the Yogyakarta Sultanate (Kasultanan Yogyakarta) and the smaller Pakualaman Duchy / Principality (Kadipaten Pakualaman).

This is wrong, incorrect, and contradictive. A Principality (or Princedom) can either be a monarchical feudatory or a sovereign state, ruled or reigned over by a monarch with the title of Prince or by a monarch with another title within the generic use of the term Prince. Hence the name, Principality. Kadipaten Pakualaman is indeed a Principality, since it's headed by a Prince of Pakualaman, so Principality of Pakualaman is right. But Yogyakarta is NOT a Principality. Since it's founded, Prince Mangkubumi was already styled as a Sultan, not a Prince anymore. And a Sultan is a monarch of a higher rank than a Prince, in the same position as a King. So, it's a Sultanate, not a Principality. Sultanate of Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat is led by a Sultan, not a Prince. Also, unlike the British Empire, the Dutch never called the Sultan of Yogyakarta as a merely Prince, he's still called a Sultan.

Saying that in Yogyakarta during the era of Dutch occupation there were two principalities is completely wrong. There are differences between a Kingdom (led by a King), a Principality (led by a Prince), a Sultanate (led by a Sultan), a Khanate (led by a Khan), a Khaganate (led by a Khagan), a Duchy (led by a Duke), etc.

Do you want to say that the United Kingdom is the same with the United Principality? And that they are interchangeable? I bet you don't. I prefer to say During the era of Dutch occupation there were two monarchies in Yogyakarta, much appropriate.

Regard,
Yofan Pratama P (talk) 19:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Correct title of Sultan

The correct title of "Sultan Hamengkubuwono" according to this law is (with little correction):

Ngarsa Dalem Sampeyan Dalem Ingkang Sinuwun Kanjeng Sultan Hamengku Buwono Senapati Ing Ngalaga Ngabdurrakhman Sayidin Panatagama Kalifatullah

which is corrected as said:

The title is always started with Ngarsa Dalem first (lit. "His Excellency")
kanjeng replaced by kangjeng (the historic, original Javanese word according to Poerwadarminta's Baoesastra Jawa is spelled kangdjeng)
correction of religious title is ngabdulrakhman sayidin panatagama khalifatullah.

Thanks. Matur nuwun. Alqhaderi Aliffianiko (talk) 01:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]