Talk:Yellow jersey statistics

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Date	Process	Result
March 24, 2008	Featured list candidate	Not promoted

Persons in italics are still alive?

I like the idea, but only the non-bold names of people still alive are in italics. Last time I check Lance Armstrong was still alive. I'll go through and italicize all the still alive winners if I get a chance, but I thought I'd point it out in case anyone wants to do it before I get around to it. Goodnightmush^Talk 12:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand you... The article says the italic names are persons still active, not still alive. And Lance Armstrong is no longer active, last time I checked. Go ahead and italicize all the still active winners if you'd like to, but you will see that I already did that.--Pie.er 13:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops...just ignore everything I said. I was confused. Goodnightmush^Talk 19:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guido Bontempi

I was creating the article of Guido Bontempi and I found out that he won the prologue of 1988 Tour de France, so he most likely wore the maillot jaune in the first stage. I could change the article but I don't know if the Per country section already counts that yellow jersey. Do you know any other cyclists missing?Drunt 12:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Tour de France site, [1], Bontempi won no stage in 1988. According to this page, the prologue of 1988 was won by Steve Bauer, who is on this list. Can you specify where you found that Bontempi won 1988's prologue? --Pie.er 16:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting this one: On the ASO page for the 1988 Tour ([2]), there is the comment "organizers experiment with a Preface instead of a Prologue(it only lasts one year)". This isn't reflected in the second link above... I wonder what it was and how this fits... Severo^TC 17:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having gone to a familiar source ( http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/ ), I found this page, which makes an interesting comment at the bottom. For ease, here is the text translated to English using Babelfish:

UCl reduced the number of days of race. It is thus not a prologue, but a "prelude" to indicate the first yellow jersey. Each team sends a runner which traverses the kilometer against the watch.

Severo^TC 17:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I was not aware of that prelude. Interesting situation. How to deal with this? I think it is not "fair" to include it, because only 22 cyclists had a change to win this yellow jersey. On the other hand, I am not here to judge the TdF rules, so if they gave a jersey, it should be included. I am now thinking of including it with a remark, but I will wait some time to see if somebody else can think of a bit more elegant solution. --Pie.er 07:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's probably the best way to go. Severo^TC 17:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doubling up of sites

It seems to me that this site and the "yellow jersey" site are about the same thing and that much of the detail could be merged. At the least, I'd suggest a cross-reference. What do you think? Les woodland (talk) 17:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)les woodland[reply]

At first I didn't understand what you mean, but I see that lots of information has been added to the Yellow jersey-article since I last looked there. Still, this article is more "table"-based, while the yellow jersey-article is more "story"-based, if you know what I mean. A merge could work, but it would take some time to do it I guess. Time that I don't want to spend ;) If you want to try it, go ahead. The cross-reference I don't think I understand, you mean that the pages should be linked to each other? That they already are... --Pie.er (talk) 08:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A merge wouldn't work, the article would be too long. It's a nice split of information as it is. Severo^TC 12:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's nice that there is a split, but I think some of the information on Yellow jersey better fits here... Or not?--Pie.er (talk) 16:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I've always seen this article as a list article, so better off without stories. We could perhaps work towards getting this to be a featured list? Severo^TC 16:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, this is a list article. But from the Yellow jersey-article, the sections "Three riders in yellow" and "No riders in yellow" are almost lists. I try to reduce my wikipedia-time, so I have to decline the offer to work together to make this list featured. Although occasionally I will do something to help the article ;) --Pie.er (talk) 18:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes perhaps they could be added to this article as well (although as lists?). I don't have so much Wikipedia time either so we'll leave that idea for now! Severo^TC 18:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Janssen

The page on Jan Janssen says "He won seven stages and wore the yellow jersey for three days." This page says "Three cyclists (Jean Robic in 1947, Charly Gaul in 1958 and Jan Janssen in 1968) have won the Tour de France with only two yellow jerseys in their career." So, which is correct? Did Janssen wear two yellow jerseys, or three? --David Edgar (talk) 10:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Janssen's wikipage is incorrect. See for example here: Janssen lead the general classification in 1966 after stage 16, and in 1968 after 22B. Other sources ([3], [4]) say the same. Thanks for spotting this, I will change Janssen's page. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Desmet is not active and Fabian Cancellara is active please fix the page to show that

please change the colors of desmet and cancellara —Preceding unsigned comment added by Santheman (talk • contribs) 02:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy

This link [5] shows Hinault as having 78 days in yellow vice the 75 shown in this article. I have no idea which is correct ...--Billymac00 (talk) 03:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This page has a full overview of all the leaders of the Tours (at least for the relevant tours. I can not link directly, but if you click on "197-", then on "1978", then on "ranking top3s", then on "general" and then on "Bernard Hinault", you get a list of all his rankings. Count the blue lines, and you will find 79 blue lines for Hinault, which means that he was leader after 79 (semi)-stages. The difficult part is that some stages were split into semi-stages, and these do not count. These are stage 1A in 1980, stage 1A in 1981, stage 12A in 1981 and stage 18A in 1985. Subtract these four, and you will see Hinault has 75 days in yellow.

I will put the link in the external links section, and repair the cycling records. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other jerseys

There are not similar lists of other jerseys used in Tour de France, aren't there? There is though at least one difficulty: the leader of each category has not been always wearing the jersey because they have had multiple leads at same. Is there any sense to create pages for green or polka-dot jersey statistics? What do you think? It could be interesting. 85.217.40.33 (talk) 13:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You would make the list based upon who the jersey is awarded to, which is the category leader, not the person who wore it, who as you correctly say may not be the classification leader. But the jersey is always awarded after the stage to the classification leader. You may not be able to find reliable sources going far back, but that's not my area of expertise so I'm not sure. Severo^TC 15:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And that is because they are not regarded as high as yellow yersey, right?

And the same sources which have the yellow's statistics don't have the other ones? 85.217.40.33 (talk) 02:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A time ago I thought the same, so I started collecting information on those other jerseys. But when I found out that no other source lists them, I thought it would not be suitable to start a wikipedia article on it, as wikipedia should only report what reliable sources report. For your information: in the points classification, Zabel is the record holder with 89 days as leader. One day he also lead the general classification, while three days he was second in the points but the leader also lead the general, so he wore the green jersey in 91 stages. Virenque leads the mountains classification ranking, leading it for 96 days. During this spell, he also wore the yellow jersey twice and the green jersey twice, so he wore the polkadot jersey for 92 days. The sourcing would be a serious problem; to source the fact that Van Impe lead the mountains classification for 79 days, you would probably need 79 links to newspaper articles giving the results... --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 11:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Trousselier

Louis Trousselier had 10 yellow jersey, not 12, in particular he did not have any yellow jersey in the 1906 Tour de France. It is possible there are more mistakes like this on this page? 160.79.125.18 (talk) 13:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, mistakes are always possible of course :) In this case, I changed 1906 into 1907, that seems to have been the mistake. --Pelotas^talk^|^contribs 14:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Error in "Number of wearers per year"

In 2005 3 different riders wore the yellow jersey: David Zabriskie, Lance Armstrong and Jens Voigt. They first two were excluded later (because of doping use), but none the less they wore the jersey during the race. So it is wrong stating that only one rider wore tha yellow jersey that year.

I have not checked the other years. for similar errors. 80.208.69.115 (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When riders are excluded from race results, they are excluded from the statistics as well. For example, you'll see that Lance Armstrong is nowhere in this article at all. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 02:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but it is wrong to say that only one person wore the yellow jersey in 2005. Three persons wore it although two of them were later disqualified. It is way better to write the real numbers and then mention the disqualification. 80.208.69.115 (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not. The UCI stripped all Armstrong results from 1998 onwards including wearing the yellow jersey. CyclingWeekly covers this in a recent article. Leaves the offical numbers without recognition of cheaters and then add notes of what it originally was. Paulpat99 (talk) 07:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but to be honest the IP contributor has a point that the current info is misleading as well. Yes, the results of Zabriskie and Armstrong are voided, but no there was not just one yellow jersey holder in the 2005 Tour de France... Pelotas^talk^|^contribs 16:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Pelotas for addressing this, and I do agree with your thought that individually addressing this with notes per year may be a bit too much. Could we perhaps condense all of the Armstrong notes into a single note like "All yellow jersey results of Lance Armstrong annulled, resulting in showing fewer riders in yellow for those years" or something? Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 00:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rules for counting the jerseys

If "only the rider in the lead at the end of the day counts", why is i. e. André Darrigade credited with 19 yellow jerseys, where three of them would have to be the ones after stage 1a in 1961 & stages 2a and 8a in 1962? --Borucic (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because somebody decided in 2018 to update his statistics, ignoring the note at the top. In other words: it's a mistake. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 11:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]