Talk:Ye Gongchuo

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 03:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Ye Gongchuo

• ... that Ye Gongchuo (pictured) worked for emperors, warlords, and republicans, before leaving politics to focus on art?

• Source: Mostly supported by Powell, J. B., ed. (1925). Who's Who in China. Shanghai: Millard's Review.; leaving politics is supported by Andrews, Julia F.; Shen, Kuiyi (2012). The Art of Modern China. Berkeley, California: University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-23814-5.

• ALT1: ... that Ye Gongchuo (pictured) dealt duck head pills in Shanghai? Source: Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官，退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024. (他曾极力推动成立上海博物馆，后来还把重金购得的稀世珍品——晋朝王献之的《鸭头丸帖》真迹，慨然捐献给了上海博物馆。; "He had strongly promoted the establishment of the Shanghai Museum, and later donated the rare treasure he had purchased at a high price, the original copy of the "Duck Head Pills" by Wang Xianzhi of the Jin Dynasty, to the Shanghai Museum.")
• ALT2: ... that, when China needed to standardize its railway terminology, it sent for a poet? Source: Powell, J. B., ed. (1925). Who's Who in China. Shanghai: Millard's Review.; Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官，退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024. (via Guangdong Library)
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• Comment: Yes, I know ALT1 is a bit out there. It might be worth an April Fools slot.

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 682 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC).

• Hi Chris. This interesting article, created on the 23 September, is new enough, long enough, well-cited, copyvio-free, and presentable. QPQ done. All three hooks are interesting and short enough. I think the first hook is the best ("emperors" may be stretching it a little - but per Who's Who, he had been serving the Imperial govt from 1906, which would put him in Imperial service during the reign of two emperors). ALT2 seems slightly misleading, since as far as I can tell, the Chinese govt did not send for Ye because he was a poet. The image is clear and used in the article. Foreign-language citations accepted in good faith. Tenpop421 (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Awards

It seems that Ye was a recipient of the Order of the Double Dragon, judging by his portrait in the infobox. Sources on these type of things are very rare, but it is a good thought to have. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We have a very fine portrait (right) of Ye in the semi-military garb of the Beiyang government. @Crisco 1492 I am not an expert on RS, but can we use an official portrait to determine the major honors and awards Ye has received, and list them in the article? Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• That is an impressive arrangement! I don't think spot identification would be allowed under WP:RS, but that might help identify what the First Class Wenfu, the first class Tashou Chiaho, and the first class Tashou Paokuang Chiaho were (the source was in English and didn't provide the Chinese original). Those are cited. I'll pull up the source really quickly to see if anything supports the Order of the Double Dragon. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  You're very welcome.

  • first class Wenhu: 一等文虎章 (top right in this portrait)
  • first class Tashou Chiaho: 一等嘉禾章 (top center)
  • first class Tashou Paokuang Chiaho: 一等大綬寶光嘉禾章 (the farthest left one)

  All of these are of the first class (with sash) of national orders in the Beiyang government. Our guy's a big man! Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Thank you! That makes interlanguage links so much easier. And yes, I was surprised by how prominent he was (I just started writing this article to fill in a redlink at Gao Qifeng... didn't realize that Ye was minister level!) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Didn't see anything about the Qing award, which given that the cited sources were from the early Republic of China period makes sense. I expect the North China Herald would have covered it, and I suspect this would have been related to the restoration of the Beijing-Hankou line to Chinese control, which would make the award 1909 or 1910 at the latest.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

    Right, I might have confused it with the Paokuang Chiaho– both of them have a radiant star design. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 14:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)