Talk:Yadkin River bridges

Nothing wrong with this link

The link Flatiron works. I had planned to start an article on this company but couldn't find the information that would make the article "stick". So for now I'm settling for a sample of the work they did.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 23:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup required?

User:Dennis Brown said in his edit summary when adding a tag "Good info here, but it really needs to be cleaned up and organized better." I added section headings and reordered, which I probably should have done when I started adding to the article. User talk:Dennis Brown says "Please don't bother leaving messages, I won't read them." He does indicate he's coming back to add photos. Maybe at that time he'll add some more suggestions. I was told I should probably just remove the tag, but if the article does need anything done, maybe someone can suggest what to do. I know before I added the section headings I was getting confused when I added new stuff.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

other Yadkin River Bridges

This article title seems rather ambiguous. There are several Yadkin River Bridges that aren't mentioned in the article...like the Donaha Bridge (Hwy 67) (not to be confused for the one that collapsed), the 421 Bridge, the I-40 Bridge...all bridges bordering Forsyth County. The Donaha Bridge is, in particular, known as the Yadkin River Bridge...
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

• You could always add that information to the article. Dennis Brown (talk) 20:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Pianoman1123 hasn't made any contributions since starting this article. I don't know that it's a good idea to start adding other bridges to this article, because there are lots of Yadkin River bridges, and where would you stop? The I-85 bridge is the one most deserving of an article, though the Wil-Cox Bridge might be considered notable too. Maybe there's a better title, but I don't know of one.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

One more bridge that could be added if we were to go this route is the one on U.S. 158. That bridge had some major work done. Or maybe it was the I-40 bridge, or both. And one of those is named for someone famous. I could look back at the newspaper archives. Anyway, my contributions to this article will be limited to those bridges in the article's original version.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no reason to not include all official bridges. The Yadkin River isn't exactly the longest river in the US, there is a limited number of bridges. Not all of them will need a paragraph explaining. As for the original author never adding more info to the article, that is pretty common at wikipedia. The whole idea is that everyone else will finish it. The original author is never expected to do more, as he doesn't own it. Add the bridges, then maybe someone else will clean it up, someone else will add more detailed info, etc, etc, etc. Dennis Brown (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not adding the bridges. Since you've proposed the idea, perhaps others will. I might add some proposed text here from the newspaper articles about the recent improvements west of Winston-Salem.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here is my proposal. The existing sections of the article could go under the heading "Rowan-Davidson Counties". The following information could go under "Forsyth-Davie Counties".

The Kathryn Crosby Bridge, built in 1940, carries U.S. Route 158 over the Yadkin River between Forsyth and Davie Counties. In October 2007, English Construction Co. of Lynchburg, Virginia was awarded a contract to replace the two-lane bridge with a four-lane one just to the north; the $15 million design-build project also included rebuilding a short section of the highway. The projected completion date for was April 2010, six months earlier than expected. Work began in Spring 2008,<ref>Jim Sparks, "Crews to Start Work on Bridge," ''Winston-Salem Journal'', November 21, 2007.</ref><ref>David Rolfe, "Bridge work," ''Winston-Salem Journal'', February 9, 2009.</ref> but only two of the four lanes were opened by September 2010. This was enough for the old bridge to be torn down.<ref>John Hinton, "A Bit of Relief," ''Winston-Salem Journal'', September 28, 2010.</ref> The bridge should open in April 2011, though work has stopped until March 16.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ci.winston-salem.nc.us/Assets/CityOfWS//Documents/forms%20and%20reports/Transportation/MPO/tac/agendabook/agendabook_2011-02_item07a.pdf|title=WSMPO/NCDOT Transportation Update|accessdate=2011-03-10}}</ref>

My solution to the article name problem

I have an idea. Perhaps once the I-85 pair of bridges is finished, or even before then, they will be named for someone. If so, the article can be moved to the new name of that particular bridge. The old I-85 bridges, and the Wil-Cox and U.S. 29 bridge that will be used as detours, could be part of the article as predecessors. I'm not confident the Wil-Cox Bridge could stand on its own, although it's notable enough due to its historic status that a stub might be allowed.

As for the Norfolk-Southern Bridge, that's entirely separate.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:08, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

• The problem is that the name of the article is plural, not singular. The question would then be "is the new bridge notable enough to warrant its own article?" Likely not. Dennis Brown (talk) 13:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that, because if the article hadn't been created already, I felt confident the I-85 bridge on its own warranted an article, and I would have created it.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

It might be, might not, I'm not sure. Read the guidelines on Wikipedia:notability for more info. Regardless, at this time, putting all of them here will work just fine, then as enough info is gathered, it can THEN be decided if a separate article is warranted. Dennis Brown (talk) 21:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. A better option may present itself after a split or the creation of a new article. --BDD (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Yadkin River bridges → Yadkin River Veterans Memorial Bridge – Bridge which is primary topic was officially named. --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC) — Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose I see Yadkin River Veterans Memorial Bridge is a separate topic that only redirects to the current one because the bridge has no article developed. The Wil-Cox Bridge falls under the same situation. See no issue in a user simply creating an article at Yadkin River Veterans Memorial Bridge while allowing this one to remain.--Labattblueboy (talk) 23:53, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Because it is on the National Register of Historic Places historic, perhaps Wil-Cox Bridge could also be a standalone article. My proposal is to have the history of the previous I-85 bridge as part of the history of the new one. I'm not sure of the logic of creating the article that was here to begin with, but I expanded both of the individual topics to the point where both could probably have an article.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
  • There's no reason the articles must be split (14th Street Bridge (Potomac River) covers 5 bridges carrying three transport modes built over several decades) but the proposed move should not be carried out without one per User:Labattblueboy. —  AjaxSmack  21:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
    • I agree with AjaxSmack.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Comment - While it could standalone; it needs enough content to really warrant it. And what would happen to this page as a result? I'd like to see a draft before supporting this. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:31, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what needs to be added, though to make absolutely sure we establish its notability, I do need to find the statement that if anything happened to the old bridge it would "shut down the entire East Coast". Rerouting traffic would have been a nightmare.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Chris, I missed your request for a draft. It is now at User:Vchimpanzee/Yadkin River Veterans Memorial Bridge, and more could be added as I find more details. I also did a draft for the other bridge at User:Vchimpanzee/Wil-Cox Bridge. I made discoveries of missing or outdated information in the main article and fixed all that.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

User:BDD approved of moving my draft articles to article space, so that in effect completes the move as a split. The only other task, assuming no objection, would be making this a redirect to the longer article.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:27, 2 December 2013 (UTC)