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A fact from YaYa Gosselin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 March 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that YaYa Gosselin booked her first job a month after signing with an agent at the age of five?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/YaYa Gosselin.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that while filming We Can Be Heroes, YaYa Gosselin usually pointed her toes when she kicked but she was told several times not to until she "[couldn't] even count"? Source: Gosselin, YaYa (December 23, 2020). "Exclusive Interview: YaYa Gosselin Talks ‘We Can Be Heroes’, Superpowers, and More!". Nerds and Beyond (Interview). Interviewed by Lindsey.

Created by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Why does this meet WP:GNG? The article also needs to be sourced better; I have tagged her birthdate and Filmography. Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: I believe Gosselin meets WP:NACTOR as she has had major roles in FBI: Most Wanted and We Can Be Heroes (film). I'm currently working on sources and removed claims that can not be reliably sourced. However, there's this sentence: Gooselin stated the physicality, harness and stunt work was "so much fun to learn" but said she "[couldn't] even count how many times [the film crew] told [her] not to point [her] toes when [she] kicked."^{[citation needed]} which is only cited using the interview. Pamzeis (talk) 11:38, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but Nerds and Beyond does not sound like a reliable source. You may have to rewrite the article and suggest another hook. Yoninah (talk) 11:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that while filming We Can Be Heroes, Robert Rodriguez said "Happy Birthday" to YaYa Gosselin when it was not her birthday to surprise her with Taylor Dooley as Lavagirl? Source: Gosselin, YaYa (December 25, 2020). "We Can Be Heroes Star YaYa Gosselin Reveals the Biggest Life Lesson She Learned On Set". Sweety High (Interview). Interviewed by Amanda McArthur.

@Yoninah: I've rewritten the article with a new hook. If the source given is unreliable, consider my nomination withdrawn. Pamzeis (talk) 04:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think we may need a new reviewer as the current reviewer has not edited this page since 18 January and Wikipedia since 19 January. Pamzeis (talk) 01:30, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: Have you considered asking about the source's reliability at WP:RSN? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I've started a new thread on the noticeboard: WP:RSN#Sweety High. Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I'm not sure if Sweety High is that reliable. I checked their about page and it gives no mention of any named staff (indeed the given link doesn't have a byline), but I assume they have paid staff. For what it's worth the source is probably okay for information since it's an interview, but not necessarily to establish notability. I did find some coverage from sites like Deadline suggesting she could be notable, if marginally. As for the nomination, I'm willing to take over the review in Yoninah's stead once the remaining issues have been sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: There's a reply on the noticeboard from Elliot321: I would say this source is marginally reliable. Looking around, I haven't seen any evidence of unreliability, fabricated information, etc. However, the source hasn't been mentioned as reliable in any other reliable sources, from what I can tell. I'd use it cautiously. Pamzeis (talk) 07:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is noted. Given that it's an interview with the person, I'm willing to assume good faith that the information is accurate. As it's getting late right now where I live I'll take a second look at the article soon, hopefully by tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. The nominator has only one prior DYK credit so no QPQ is necessary. The date of birth is not mentioned in the TV Guide article but rather in the Tweet reference in the infobox; as the DOB is mentioned in the prose, the reference will have to be duplicated there too. Regarding the subject's notability, I'd say she's maybe marginally notable with the Deadline coverage being what pushes her over the top. The main issue I can see right now is that neither hook fact is actually mentioned in the article at all; DYK hooks require that the facts mentioned are discussed in the article prose. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I've added the fact in the article and her birth date in the prose. Pamzeis (talk) 05:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that Slywriter had earlier removed the content from the article prior to my review; I'd like to hear from them first before approving any hook. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I removed the section because there is nothing encyclopedic about someone being surprised for their non-birthday. It's a cute story but ultimately trivia and celebrity magazine fluff that does not improve the article for a reader. Slywriter (talk) 14:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I see the paragraph has been re-added with no edit notes showing why it's useful information, I'm just going to state my opposition to this being a DYK as I see no benefit for our readers Slywriter (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is noted. Pamzeis, will you be able to provide an alternative hook? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that YaYa Gosselin began acting at Dallas Children's Theatre at the age of three? Source: YaYa Gosselin Biography, Celebrity Facts and Awards. TV Guide.
ALT3: ... that YaYa Gosselin signed with an agent at the age of five? Source: same as ALT2
ALT4: ... that YaYa Gosselin signed with an agent at the age of five and booked her first job a month later? Source: same as ALT2
ALT4a: ... that YaYa Gosselin booked her first job a month after signing with an agent at the age of five? Source: same as ALT2

@Narutolovehinata5: I've added a few alternative hooks. Pamzeis (talk) 02:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Checking the source, all four new hooks are verified and mentioned in the same sentence in the article. The "agent at the age of five" angle is probably the more interesting option here so let's go with ALT3/ALT4/ALT4a here with no particular preference as to what to use. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]