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La Esmeralda is a grand opera in four acts composed by Louise Bertin, with a French-language libretto written by Victor Hugo, who adapted it from his 1831 novel The Hunchback of Notre-Dame. The opera premiered at the Théâtre de l'Académie Royale de Musique in Paris on 14 November 1836, with Cornélie Falcon in the title role. There was some disruption at the premiere, as members of the audience who disliked the Bertin family shouted out that the work had been written by Berlioz, an accusation which Berlioz himself denied. La Esmeralda proved to be the last opera composed by Bertin although she lived for another 40 years. This drawing is Charles-Antoine Cambon's set design for act 3, scene 1, of La Esmeralda, in which Phoebus meets with Esmeralda, and Frollo spies on them and eventually stabs Phoebus with his sword.

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X. socrates or X. gideon?

All the references about Thai beetle fighting that name a species refer to X. gideon rather than X. socrates. Indeed, all the references in this article's original version as created by Vitalfranz were to X. gideon. Can someone please explain the discrepancy? Are there sources that actually identify the fighting beetle as X. socrates? I see that catalogue of life lists X. gideon socrates as a synonym for X. socrates. Was this due to some recent revision of the species classification? --Paul_012 (talk) 22:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found the following comments by Vitalfranz at User talk:Nick Moyes/Archive 3#Ways to improve Xylotrupes socrates:

Hi Nick! The revision is very complicated since the revisions by Rowland (2003, 2011) include 28 valid species and ~60 valid taxa. Both revisions are available on the Web, but Rowland and Silvestre published further papers (with further species) not available. The complex of species has been updated with the correct distribution in BioLib (https://www.biolib.cz/en/taxontree/id98023/). I will fix the remaining problems in the next days. But, first of all, a lot of species are wrongly identified on Wikimedia.--Vitalfranz (talk) 09:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

And his edit summary on X. gideon, when splitting content from that article to here: "Wrong species: X. gideon is absent in Thailand and Indochina."

So it seems that the beetle found in Thailand was previously widely identified as X. gideon, but according to the recent revisions it should be X. socrates? This revision needs to be noted in the article, the discrepancy explained, and better references added. --Paul_012 (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if in Thailand X. socrates is used to fight, but in Vietnam there are a lot of fight. Quangkhanhhuynh (talk) 08:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As this source said "Xylotrupes gideon distributed in west Malaysia, Borneo and the Indonesian archipelago from Sumatra through the Lesser Sunda Islands.". So I think Vitalfranz is right when he summaried in the page "Wrong species: X. gideon is absent in Thailand and Indochina." Quangkhanhhuynh (talk) 08:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt that, but the article sorely needs a taxonomy section explaining the species revision and why the situation is the way it is. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]