Talk:Xu Xinliu

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Naming

Even though he was clearly known as "Singloh Hsu" in his lifetime (and he was someone who went to university in the UK, and was quite obviously familiar with English), he did not know Pinyin by the time of his death. The deciding factor in naming this article is the usage of the name "Xu Xinliu" on Google Books.

JSTOR seems to have very little:

Xu Xinliu (from the search "Xu Xinliu"+"banker", or "Xu Xinliu"+bank) used in: Martin, Brian G. (February 1995). "The Green Gang and the Guomindang State: Du Yuesheng and the Politics of Shanghai, 1927-37". The Journal of Asian Studies. pp. 64–92. JSTOR 2058951. - See bottom of page 70, and from the title I see it uses the Mandarin "Guomindang" when Kuomintang is more common.
"Singloh Hsu" is only used in documents in the 1920s and 1930s.

EBSCOHost:

"Singloh Hsu" gets zero hits
"Xu Xinliu" gets four, with at least one clearly about the man (the other three may mention him): Ji, Weilong (2007). "Hu Shi and Xu Xinliu". Chinese Studies in History. 40 (2): 52–70. doi:10.2753/CSH0009-4633400203. - This article used the pinyin (and I notice it also uses pinyin for Chiang Kai-shek, as "Jiang Jieshi").

Google Books (for books published since the 1980s, including mass media books)

Jackson, Isabella (2018). Shaping Modern Shanghai: Colonialism in China's Global City. Cambridge University Press. p. 99. ISBN 9781108419680.: Uses "Singloh Hsu" in a footnote, academic book
Shelp, Ronald; Ehrbahr, Al (2009-07-28). Fallen Giant: The Amazing Story of Hank Greenberg and the History of AIG (2 ed.). John Wiley & Sons. p. PT36.: Uses "Singloh Hsu", seems to be a mass media book
Many other Google Books results use "Xu Xinliu" for the banker (And Shaping Modern Shanghai also uses "Xu Xunliu" on another page)

It's the Google Books results that seemed so overwhelming for a name form (that he never used in his lifetime) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What complicates this further is that Columbia University's collection of papers on his son uses Wade-Giles for almost all of the family members/friends. The son, T.C. Hsu, moved to the United States in the 1950s. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]