Talk:Xu Shunshou/GA1

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Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 06:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this. Harrias ^talk 06:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of China

I'm not keen on the short paragraphs in this section, but that is personal preference, and not a GA requirement.

I've combined them into longer paras. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Three of the five paragraphs, and five sentences overall in the section start "In YYYY, ..", please vary this to avoid the repetition.

Reworded. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The Second Sino-Japanese War soon broke out in July 1937 and Nanjing fell to Japanese occupation. The National Central University relocated to Chongqing, China's wartime capital." I could be wrong, but I don't see the detail of this in the source provided. If it is there, could you provide me with the translation of the relevant section?

You're right, the historical background is not mentioned in the source, probably because it's common knowledge in China. I found it necessary to add this info to explain why he entered the university in Nanjing but graduated a thousand miles away in Sichuan. I've now added a source for this history. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

People's Republic of China

"..and the performance was superior." This needs inline attribution.

Attribution added. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Death and legacy

"When the Cultural Revolution began in 1966, Xu was severely persecuted and tortured by the Red Guards." I know you provide wikilinks, but a bit more context in the article would be appreciated here.
Do we know what he died of?

I found more info from another source, and expanded the section with details of his persecution and death. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

General

Do any of the red links have articles in foreign wikis? Xu Chi looks like he might have? If so, consider using {{ill|Xu Chi|zh|徐迟}} to produce Xu Chi, which might prompt other users to consider translating those article for en.wiki.
Why does the article do this: "Song Shubi (宋蜀碧)" for some people, but not others: "Wu Xiuquan", for example?

I was planning to write articles for all the red links, so didn't put too much thought on cross-wiki linking. I've done a few but haven't got around to write the three remaining ones (though still planning to). I've now added cross-wiki links. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Images

File:Xu Shunshou 1964.jpg does not have a US PD tag. Additionally, the Chinese PD tag requires the uploader to "provide where the image was first published and who created it or held its copyright", which has not been done.

I've clarified the publication date and original copyright owner (Chinese government). This is a standard photo published by the Chinese government when an officer is awarded a military rank. This file belongs to a special class of images whose copyright has expired in their home country, but was restored in the US after the URAA ruling. Wikimedia has decided that these files are permitted unless they receive a takedown notice from the original copyright owner. See META:Legal/Wikimedia Server Location and Free Knowledge and Commons:Com:DIU. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This still needs a {{PD-1996}} tag adding, per the requirements of {{PD-China}}: "You must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Harrias ^talk 10:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias: As explained above, this file is not PD in the US because of URAA (unlike the file below, which is covered by PD-1996), but is allowed per Wikimedia policy as it regards URAA copyright as "overreaching" (see official statement). In any case, this image is not essential and can be removed if necessary. -Zanhe (talk) 05:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At the request of Harrias I have reviewed the status of this image and of the relevant discussions on Commons. The WMF position as expressed in those links appears to be roughly that URAA issues are difficult to judge, that we may not have sufficient information to determine the status of affected images, and that such images should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. The practical interpretation of this at Commons has been the source of disputes, and the current status quo is reflected in the documentation for Not-PD-US-URAA: that more recent uploads requiring this tag should be treated as violating the licensing policy. If the image is non-essential I'd suggest removing it on that basis. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria: Thanks for your comment. Given the complexity of the issue I agree the easiest solution is to simply remove the image. @Harrias: I've removed the image and moved the one below to the top. BTW, I've also written Wu Xiuquan and Xu Chi; only one red link is left. -Zanhe (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

File:Xu Shunshou Tsinghua.jpg has a US PD tag, but similarly requires the uploader to "provide where the image was first published and who created it or held its copyright", which has not been done for the Chinese PD tag.

Publication date clarified. It's a standard university photo published at graduation. Photographers are almost never named for this kind of photographs. The university likely held the copyright although it's not explicitly stated. In any case, the copyright has long expired. -Zanhe (talk) 00:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

File:Shenyang JJ.1.jpg is appropriately tagged with a CC by-sa 3.0.

References

All are foreign language, but quick checks with Google translate confirms that they appear to back up the article, except where noted above. There are no concerns with copyvio or close para-phrasing against the translated text, and I will AGF for the original text.

I'll stick the review on hold pending these comments. Harrias ^talk 08:35, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias: Thanks for your review. I've replied to all your concerns above and edited the article accordingly. Please let me know if you have any further questions. -Zanhe (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanhe: One minor image point, and then we're done. Great work, particularly on the expansion of the Death and legacy section. Harrias ^talk 10:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With the image issue resolved, I'm more than happy to pass this as a good article, good work Zanhe, and thanks for your expertise, Nikkimaria. Harrias ^talk 10:07, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]