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Edits by 69.246.176.119

I reverted (largely) the edits done by 69.246.176.119 (talk · contribs) for the below reasons:

The claim that the Xies were already one of the two "premier families" has these problems:
1. It was limited to the Southern Dynasties only, not China as a whole;
2. and it wasn't true yet in Xie Xuan's own lifetime. It was really because of the contributions of Xie An and his clan members (including Xie Xuan) that the Xies gained sufficient prestige to rival the Wangs.
The Xies did not all get killed by Hou Jing (who killed a good number of them, for sure) and did not "disappear from history forever." Their power largely dissipated, but that's not the same as "disappeared from history forever."
Nothing in the Book of Jin supports the claims that Xie Xuan's mother was from the Ruan clan, or that he had first married a member of the Yang clan and then Huan Wen's daughter. (All of these were plausible, but if you have a source supporting them, please cite it.)
There's really nothing that indicates that Xie Daoyun was the oldest of the children (and while the Book of Jin indicated that Xie Yi had three sons, it did not indicate how many daughter he had); she had a biography herself in the Book of Jin, and it did not indicate that she was the oldest, and while it had opportunity to indicate that Xie Xuan was a younger brother, it did not do so.
The claim of "the royal family needed to marry a Xie for honor" is POV, and in fact, the Xies, while they had frequent marital relations with the imperial clans of the Southern Dynasties, did not always do so.

If you have reliable citations supporting these claims, please reinsert with citations, but also please do so in an WP:NPOV manner. --Nlu (talk) 11:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]