Talk:Xiao Jianhua

New York Times on Puhua Investment

I think the newspaper had lack of creditably, or just translate Chinese source. Too much rumour in it. For example, there were two Puhua Investment, one in Yangpu one in Tai'an, both of them involved as his investment vehicle? (the Tai'an one was alleged by a Chinese magazine that Tomorrow Holding owned via proxies) The failed bid of China Guangfa Bank by "Yangpu Puhua Investment", is due to disapproval of China Banking Regulatory Commission as a qualified shareholder, which seem "Yangpu Puhua Investment" was not profited in the "short-selling".

However, New York Times just not verify and saying "took an 8 percent interest, and then just weeks later transferred it to another state financial institution. Few analysts or journalists knew he was involved", which clearly unreliable claim. Matthew_hk tc 13:22, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

A lead sentence

I'm not sure we need the sentence On January 28, 2017, he was seized from his room at the Four Seasons Hotel Hong Kong and taken to mainland China illegally. Does it have enough long term notability to be included in the lead? I am curious, but maybe we can combine this with the previous paragraph? epicgenius (talk) 18:44, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

There's a lot more to be said about the abduction from his room. It was a media sensation similar to the Causeway Bay Books disappearances last year, so if we expand coverage of that event, it might justify that sentence in the lead. _dk (talk) 21:36, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, so we can elaborate on this a little. epicgenius (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

There was no legal agreement on criminal and arrestment between mainland China and its "special administrative region", which it is a taboo that mainland officials directly arrest people in Hong Kong (in theory they were restricted by the Basic Law of HK). The official record in Hong Kong is Xiao legally (and imply voluntary without assist) back to China via border control spot. (for Causeway Bay Books disappearances and Peter Dahlin/Pater Beckernrindge, the victims were admitted the crime in front of TV, and/or admit their "voluntarily" back to China, both in fact under threat to act them) which later which Xiao (or proxy) advertised that he is outside China for recovery from sickness. Matthew_hk tc 04:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

The South China Morning Post has a whole portal of news about him. Those who wish to expand the article with the "voluntary disappearance" can start here. _dk (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure about the necessity of a "legal agreement" because technically Hong Kong is part of mainland China. I understand that there were agreements but these were largely made because the UK seized the Hong Kong area a long time ago. I think that the much more important question than any legal mambo-fambo is where he is now and if he is in prison, when he will be released. 2A02:8388:1641:4700:0:0:0:5 (talk) 13:19, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

please read Basic Law of Hong Kong and Sino-British Joint Declaration. Mainland law (except constitutional law via Basic Law) are NOT apply to Hong Kong (at least on paper). Matthew_hk tc 14:26, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Current status

As of late December 2019, where is Xiao and what is his condition? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 21:06, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Conflicting source

A source from Reuters conflicts with the conclusion in the article that he left voluntarily, could someone look into that?

Xiao was last seen leaving a luxury Hong Kong hotel in a wheelchair with his head covered, accompanied by unknown men. In its annual human rights report, the U.S. State Department said that “multiple press reports stated he was likely abducted by state security agents from the mainland https://www.reuters.com/article/world/special-report-how-hong-kongs-greatest-tycoon-went-from-friend-of-china-to-pun-idUSKBN1Y11LD/ Noob10293 (talk) 04:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

According to a 2023 Reuters article, "The Chinese-Canadian billionaire, known to have links to China's Communist Party elite, was whisked away in a wheelchair from a luxury Hong Kong hotel in the early hours with his head covered, a source close to the tycoon told Reuters at the time."[1]

A Financial Times article in 2017 said, "The Four Seasons has provided Hong Kong police with CCTV footage of Mr Xiao, who is normally followed everywhere by a group of female bodyguards, being led away by the Chinese security agents, the person said. It is unclear what happened inside the room where Mr Xiao was living but there was no scuffle in the hallway or elevator and he appeared to go with them willingly once they all left his room, the person added."[2]

They all sound speculative, but I will try to include the information. Vacosea (talk) 23:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)