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Name origin

Didn't the meaning of the word Xenotime come from people (maybe Greeks) who gave it as gifts to strangers? I'm not so sure. Maybe not... 74.116.142.240 21:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reference I added for etymology writes

Although he retracted his supposed discoveries, the echoes of [Jons Jacob] Berzelius’s failures were not immediately forgotten. The mineral in which he believed he had found a new metal was called by French mineralogist François Sulpice Beudant (1787-1850) "kenotime," taken from the Greek κενός, "vain," and τιμή, "honor," to highlight the regrettable failure of the famous Swedish chemist. However, the original intent of punishing the vainglorious Berzelius was disappointed; with time the word "kenotime" became "xenotime".^[1]

so, that seems to explain the allusion to vanity. Rt3368 (talk) 04:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Fontani, Marco; Costa, Mariagrazia; Orna, Virginia (2014). The Lost Elements: The Periodic Table's Shadow Side. Oxford University Press. p. 73. ISBN 978-0199383-344.

Etymology, polish

I made a proper etymology paragraph out of the last part of the lead and included a reference (see above). I polished up a few sentences and fixed some grammar. Rt3368 (talk) 04:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Date of discovery

I changed the date of discovery from 1832 (same year as the publication of volume 2 of Beudant's Traité élémentaire de minéralogie) to 1824. Is 1832 accepted even though Berzelius's submission to Annales de Chimie et de Physique (1825) 2 (29) p 337 admitted his error and Lost Elements notes that Berzelius made his erroneous claim of a new "earth" in 1815? He must have been examining the mineral then. By 1824, Berzelius published Undersökning af några Mineralier ("Examination of some minerals") identifying the mineral as yttrium phosphate. Which date is correct?

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Wrong name

The name "xenotime" is wrong. The correct name is xenotime-(Y) (or xenotime-(Yb)). See, e.g., https://www.mindat.org/min-4333.html. "Xenotime" is a GROUP name. Eudialytos (talk) 13:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Missing. [1] --Itu (talk) 06:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[Lost-1] Fontani, Marco; Costa, Mariagrazia; Orna, Virginia (2014). The Lost Elements: The Periodic Table's Shadow Side. Oxford University Press. p. 73. ISBN 978-0199383-344.

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