Talk:Wyatt

Requested move 5 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus is clear. A proposal to merge the two name pages would be a separate matter. BD2412 T 04:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Wyatt (disambiguation) → Wyatt – This is a misplaced disambiguation page. In 2016 the page "Wyatt" was split into a surname and a given name page, and moved to Wyatt (surname) with comment "Split given name and surname, and seems more appropriate to call this page 'surname' now", leaving "Wyatt" as a redirect to it, and leaving this long-established dab page at its disambiguated title. There are enough placenames and other uses that there seems no obvious primary topic, so this dab page should be at the base title. PamD 09:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 14:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support no clear primary topic per views[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed. But move Wyatt (surname) → Wyatt. Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• This whole discussion is premised on the need to split up surname and given name lists into two. But is there such a need? Both lists are long and alphabetical. Why would we actually want to separate them, why not just make them two sections of the same list about the human name Wyatt? Requiring both of these groups of readers to choose between given name and surname seems rather inefficient for quick navigation. Requiring all of them to look at these minor topics in the disambiguation list is likewise largely pointless. --Joy (talk) 07:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Debartolo2917 might want to comment, as I think they did the split. PamD 08:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

  I want to note that I have long questioned that practice and I agree, I see no reason why given names and surnames need to be separated, having them together benefits the reader. They should at least be better integrated in to the DAB - as of right now Wyatt (disambiguation) doesn't link to Wyatt (given name) at all. If it weren't for this discussion (and perhaps the chance I might click the surname article), I wouldn't even have known the given name article exists.

  As for this: Support per nom. I haven't seen evidence of either given or surname being primary topic, and as I struggle to see how we even would evaluate that completely. ASUKITE 15:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 22:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

  @KingSkyLord do you mind the option of squashing both name lists into sections of one article? --Joy (talk) 08:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

  @Joy: Yes, I would support it into one Wyatt (name). KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There are two distinct issue here:

1. Is there a Primary Topic for "Wyatt"? (And then: "What is it?")
2. Should the given name and surname be separate articles?

As well as the basic fact that a dab page with title "X (disambiguation)" where there is no article at "X" is misplaced.

The figures on Wikinav seem to show that over half of the readers who go on anywhere from the "Wyatt (surname)" page, to which "Wyatt" currently redirects (ie it is being treated as the primary topic), go on to "Wyatt (given name)", so it seems doubtful whether the given name or the surname is primary, if either of them is. The presence of several placenames and other uses suggests to me that there is no primary topic, so the dab page should be at the base name. PamD 10:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support move (just noticed that although I have commented I haven't offered an explicit !vote). PamD 22:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.