Talk:Wyandanch (sachem)
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Greetings. I am a descendent of Wyandanch. I have a question as to how you came upon the date for his birth. You have listed as 1615 but all the genealogical sources I checked with have it as 1571. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.15.242.30 (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Birth and death dates
[edit]The dates suggested by the introductory sentence of this article do not seem to match the content. The article says Wyandanch was born 1571, died 1658. These dates are not implausible on their face but the 1571 birth is frequently associated with a now discredited theory Wyandanch was the father of Catoneras, wife of the Dutch settler Jan van Texel. The "Early life" section of the article says wyandanch "was born on Long Island roughly at the time of the pilgrims' arrival at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts."
Jeremy Dennis, at JeremyNative.com, dates Wyandanch's birth to ca. 1602, but he cites Geni.com, an amateur genealogy website of varying quality. [1], citing [2]. The Wyandanch profile at Geni.com has since been updated to show a birthdate of ca. 1620.
An estimated birthdate circa 1620 would better correlate with other information in the article. "While still young, in the second half of the 1630s Wyandanch heard about the almost total destruction of the Pequot in the Pequot War." The Pequot War was 1636-38. A man born in 1571 would have been 65 at the beginning of the Pequot War.
The section "Increasing influence" says "In 1644 Wyandanch was still most likely a minor chief among the Montauketts. His elder brother Poggaticut was grand sachem . . . ." While not dispostive, this characterization is also more consistent with a younger Wyandanch.
The article says he died in 1658, but Wikipedia Recent Additions says "Wyandanch . . . In 1659, sued Jeremy Daily in the colonial court in one of the first trials in North America with an English defendant and a Native American plaintiff?" [3]. (However, the article, and many other sources, date this suit to 1658.)
Moreover, Wyandanch conveyed land to Lion Gardner in 1659. [4]
The "Death" section of the article says Wyandanch died in 1659 (not 1658). This matches David Bunn Martine, who says Wyandanch died in 1659, adding that Lion Gardinder says he was poisoned ([5]).
Beaujuste (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.jeremynative.com/onthissite/wiki/wyandanch/#footnote_6_724
- ^ https://www.geni.com/people/Wyandanch-Grand-Sachem-of-Montaukett/5424717289970058750
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2010/March#14_March_2010
- ^ Book of Deeds, vol. ii, pp. 118-19, 1659, Office of the Secretary of State, Albany.
- ^ Martine, Shinnecock Timeline pp. 7
Place of birth and death
[edit]Removing the specific places of birth and death because they are supported. Wyandanch's tribe lived on eastern Long Island, in the vicinity of what is now Montauk Point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaujuste (talk • contribs) 11:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)