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Flag of Wuyue

Can anybody confirm that this is an authentic flag of Wuyue? -- Himasaram 02:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. It is an individual and contemporary design emerged in 2005 or so. --Lieukehli 01:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flags didn't exist back then. --2.245.161.112 (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Time period

What evidence is there for such an early start date of this kingdom? I have never seen anything reliable before the 10th century. The Tang Dynasty still held sway over this area until the early tenth century. Even Table of Chinese monarchs lists 904 as the first year of this kingdom. Ludahai 10:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

852 is Qian Liu's birth year and so can certainly not be claimed as the founding date of Wuyue. As with most of the other founders, he built up his power base in the 890s and you could say his state was born then. He was invested Prince of Yue in 902 and Prince of Wu in 904 and proclaimed himself King of Wuyue in 923. Fornadan (t) 10:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He was invested with those titles by the faltering Tang Dynasty. With many of these kingdoms, the actual fall of the dynasty is often considered the start date, even if posthumously. Do you object to me making the appropriate changes when I do my rewrite?

On further investigatin I've found sources that claim Qian Liu was invested as king by the Liang in 907. I haven't sorted it all out yet, but in any case its merely formalities. The end of the Tang is as good date as any I guess Fornadan (t) 00:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to my list of Chinese era dates, Qian Liu was still using Tang era names in 907 (天祐 Tianyou), but switched to his own era name (天寶　Tianbao) in 908. --Sumple (Talk) 05:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]