Talk:Wudu/Archive 1

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I prefer wudu rather than wodoo. The terms I used is from arabic and usually refer as wuduk. Wodoo sound more like vodoo. If need to merge, should be into wudu.Yosri 17:17, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Reason

There should be information on the significance of Wudu for Muslims (I don't feel comfortable adding anything as I'm not too sure on the subject.) Swinger222 19:25, 10 May 2005 (GMT)

Indeed, I'm very keen to understand this concept further. It seems redundant to wash one's hands first, then wash the rest of your body including your feet. You're just cross-contaminating your hands again. Surely this originated as a method of enforcing general hygeine amongst practitioners of Islam, but even in historical times, even the lesser educated must have seen and realised this cross contamination? Jachin 00:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's a mix of hygeine and in many ways (I believe) it is more figurative action. Being clean before God when you pray. I mean, the only way for cleanliness since there is no soap or anything used is to wash everything multiple times. gren グレン 01:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

As a complete outsider I am curious as to how and when soap would be incorporated, for example after performing ones ablutions. Would you wash your hands with soap before, and then do the ritual washing, or could it be incorporated into the ritual? --Mig77 11:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

You're free to use soap afterwards. You're "clean" until you urinate, bleed, break wind, sleep and wake up etc.

However you cannot use soap for the ablution itself. It's the religious teaching, there is no rule saying not to but the process is described clearly there for you cannot alter it.

Permitted Water Types

I'm afraid I'm not an expert on Islam, but the section on waters permitted for use in Wudu says that bong water is okay. This seems like a cleansing process, so that inclusion is a bit odd. Is this true, or was this just some "creative editing?"

Major rewrite

I've rewritten a lot of the article to incorporate more detailed information such as, rthe classification of the acts of wudu, the significance of the wudu (still stubbed) and the wudu according to the four Maddhab (schools of islamic jurisprudence). I plan to include more information on the stubby sections. MP (talk) 11:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I m new here. So I don't know much about editing. Should these sentences be moved somewhere higher on the top of the page so that the readers can understand the significance of these instructions? “ This is based on the 6th Ayat of Surah al-Ma'ida (Qur'an 5:6) which states: "O you who believe! when you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles..." ”

Verycuriousboy 13:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verycuriousboy (talk • contribs)

Origins

While the quote from qu'ran mentions ablutions there is no information as to where the details of the ritual originate from. Was it an established ritual from existing religious practices or was it explained elsewhere (e.g. sunnah/hadith). Perhaps someone with detailed knowledge could add something about the origins of the processes of the ritual itself. MrBudgens 15:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Could it have orginated from Christianity?

According to Christian tradition, the Pharisees carried the practice of ablution to great excess (Matthew 23:25). The Gospel of Mark refers to their ceremonial ablutions (Mark 7:1–5): For the Pharisees...wash their hands "oft"; or, more acurately, "with the fist" (R.V., "diligently"); or, as Theophylact of Bulgaria explains it, "up to the elbow," referring to the actual word used in the Greek New Testament, pygmē, which refers to the arm from the elbow to the tips of the fingers. (Compare also Mark 7:4; Leviticus 6:28; Leviticus 11:32–36; Leviticus 15:22). (See Washing.)

References

mouth

This hadith includes washing the mouth. --Striver 03:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Washing the mouth and the nose, three times each is "Sunna(recommended by Mohammad." as far as I know

and it's practically part of the tradition, I have yet to come across someone who doesn't follow this when washing for prayer.

Wudu #Invalidation

Touch opposite gender by their clothing, not skin

If I touch a female who isn't my mother, sister etc. by their clothing and not on their skin, do I still have to retake my wudu? --Fantastic4boy 09:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Touching another person who is not in taharat

My logic tells me that touching another person who is not in taharat (such as by a handshake with) should break your taharat too. But this is not included in the list. The same should extend on all material objects: if a clean thing has touched an unclean thing, it cannot be considered clean anymore. Just my reasoning. Does it agree with Islam?
—6birc (talk) 08:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Not exactly, once you're clean by "Wudu" getting your hands dirty in a reasonable measure is not a problem,

you can just wash your hands and you're still clean. The consept is sort of inner purity, what spoils the ablution comes from within you: urine, sperm, blood, cursing, bad thoughts etc. You have no way of knowing who is clean and who is not.

Islam is simple to the one who keep faith. Only in Allah. Ujjie104 (talk) 17:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Quran & Wudu

There are four fard (obligatory) acts are clearly stated in the Quran see http://wikilivres.info/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an/Al-Meada verse 6 translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali at wikilivres.info.

"O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles."

see also the 2 below links

The Holy Qur'an - original source (1917, revised 1920), by Maulana Muhammad Ali at wikisource see http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Maulana_Muhammad_Ali_Quran.djvu&page=370

The Holy Qur'an (1917, revised 1920), by Maulana Muhammad Ali at wikisource http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an_(Maulana_Muhammad_Ali)/5._The_Food

Nasserb786 (talk) 06:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

References

Wahabis

for Wahabis please see section onWahabis. Wahabism is a conservative form of Sunni Islam

for Shia Islam see section on shia islam

Nasserb786 (talk) 06:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Invalidation Section

Invalidation section states no sources. Rewrite required 129.67.55.153 (talk) 19:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Foot washing in Islamic religion, sources

The Quran

sūrat l-māidah 5:6

O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful. "Qur'an: verse (5:6) - English Translation". Quranic Arabic Corpus. Language Research Group, University of Leads. 2011. Retrieved 2012-10-28.

• Quranic Arabic Corpus

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=6

In modern culture

Recent accommodation of the Islamic adherent's need to have washed feet has occurred at universities across the United States and Canada. I recently visited the new Waterfront campus of George Brown College and noted a foot washing station as part of their multi faith reflection room.

This section is for the collection of reliable sources on the topic re: Islamic practices.

New York

• Gonen, Yoav (October 3, 2007). "Islam gains a 'foot' hold at NYU: Students to get ritual baths for Prayer". New York Post online. New York, NY. Retrieved 2012-10-28.

Toronto, Ontario

• Tour of George Brown College mentions the reflection room.
  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeWXASflb0c

Maine

• University of Southern Maine dedicated a reflection room, March 2010 foot washing station?

Kansas

• Airport adds foot basins for Muslim cabbies: Police worry about Kansas City 'catering' to Islamic rituals

http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41323/

http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41394/

Reports with pictures

Pakistan

See picture to the right

People washing before prayer at the Badshahi mosque in Lahore, Pakistan.

Istanbul, Turkey

Link to picture by Richard Franke of foot washing stations outside Sultan Ahmed Mosque, Istanbul's Blue Mosque

http://www.richardfranke.com/p062911.html

http://www.richardfranke.com/2011/u4697m.jpg

Minnesota

• MPR news photos of the year (December 23, 2010)

St. Cloud, MN, USA — Mohamed Ukash performed an ablution before praying at the Islamic Center of St. Cloud Thursday, June 24, 2010. The mosque in St. Cloud serves hundreds of families and has been at its current location for three years. (MPR Photo/Jeffrey Thompson)

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/12/23/mpr-photos-of-2010-part2/#2

• Ramsey, Ali (November 24, 2008). "New Centennial Student Union facility helps meet needs of Muslim students: Centennial Student Union helping to make Muslim students more comfortable". Minnesota State University news. The Free Press, Mankato, MN. Retrieved 2012-10-28.

1. The station was paid for entirely through student fees.
2. Foot washing is a rite observed by several religious groups. Muslims are required to perform foot washing in preparation for ritual prayer and before handling and reading the Quran. Many Muslims pray five times a day, and each time they wash their feet, hands, head and face. This process is called "wadhu."
3. Before the station was built, students were performing the foot washing in regular sinks. Both Anderson and Woodward agreed this was an unsafe method and one of the reasons the demand was so high.
4. "Every Friday at about noon there'd be a hundred Muslim students gathering in one rest room trying to wash their feet in a very, very unpleasant way," Bangash said. (in the sinks)
5. "It's symbolically important that we try to make accommodations for everybody to be able to use it."
6. MSU isn't the first university in the state to install a foot-washing station. St. Cloud State University has one.

• Lewin, Tamar (August 7, 2007). Universities Install Footbaths to Benefit Muslims, and Not Everyone Is Pleased. New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/education/07muslim.html

Texas

• Magruder, Wes. (August 13, 2012). Mini-Baptisms: Day 25 of Ramadan. The New MethoFesto.

http://newmethofesto.com/?s=wash+ankles

On Saturday night, I was invited to iftar with a group from the Islamic Association of North Texas in Richardson. I was also invited, for the first time, to participate in wudu, the Islamic practice of ablution, or washing one’s hands and feet before entering the prayer room. Larry beckoned me to sit beside him on a stool in front of a faucet, and then walked me through the process. He showed me how to wash my hands, arms up to the elbow, mouth, face, ears, and feet.

http://newmethofesto.com/?s=wash+ankles

Boston, Massachusetts

• Friday, Leslie (November 1, 2011). "New Footbaths a Nod to BU's Growing Muslim Population: CELOP's facilities available to everyone". BU Today. Boston University. Retrieved 2012-10-28.

No one lingered in the bathrooms at the Center for English Language & Orientation Programs. They were more than a decade old and dingy. Even the janitors said they needed help.

So in summer 2011, the center’s bathrooms were fully renovated, with a fresh coat of paint, bright lights, and gleaming tiles and fixtures. But also added was a feature rare for most public restrooms: footbaths. Designed to accommodate Muslim students who must wash before prayer five times a day, the footbaths are available to everyone. ...

Music

• Teach me how to Wudu (rap parody)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVltyGvCB4c

Church (Mosque) and State

Critical editorials regarding government financed foot washing stations

• Schlussel, Debbie (June 7, 2007). So Long Church/State Separation. Front Page Magazine republished in Doctor Bulldog's blog: Tax Dollars to Pay for Foot Washing Stations at University: The multi-CULT-uralization of the University of Michiganistan is moving along quite nicely…

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2007/06/07/tax-dollars-to-pay-for-foot-washing-stations-at-university/

Debbie Schlussel's web page,

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1347/exclusive-so-long-churchstate-separation-university-of-michigan-to-fund-muslim-footbaths/

Schlussel's main argument against publically funded foot washing stations

"this Unconstitutional waste of tax dollars" $27000 X 2 = $54000

"universities are constitutionally barred from endorsing a religion or even two religions."

"$54,000 of tax money spent for a religious accommodation in violation of the separation between church and state."

"these footbaths are likely to be the subject of a lawsuit by some brave Michigan taxpayer, who detests being forced to fund Islam and the demands of an American manifestation of the Muslim Brotherhood."

"When I asked why the footbaths were being installed, Gallagher told me that this is “an accommodation to a significant portion of our student body and their friends and visitors in accordance with our mission.” He said that it is a growing trend with Boston University, Cal State-Fullerton, University of Wisconsin-Madison, and Washington University of St. Louis, all installing footbaths. “We wanted to be part of that trend in accommodating Muslim students.”..."

• University of Michigan Installing Foot-Washing Basins for Muslim Students

Public safety or violation of establishment clause.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291569,00.html

• Installing Footbaths at the University of Michigan-Dearborn: Is the University Preventing Slip and Fall or Falling Further Down the Establishment Clause's Slippery … L Bosch - Mich. St. L. Rev., 2008 - HeinOnline (pay site)

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/mslr2008&div=46&id=&page=