Talk:Worshipful Company of Pewterers
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Philanthropy
[edit]i can't imagine how this comes to be described as a 'philanthropic or charitable organization', when the article on 'livery companies' quite clearly states that they are trade associations.Toyokuni3 (talk) 03:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- They began life in the middle ages, purely for the regulation of trade. Their initial forays into philanthropy were to provide alms houses for retired and distressed members. Gradually this extended into the foundation of schools.
- The modern guilds have little to do with trade - although most members would have some association with the trade, but membership of a guild is a route to obtaining Freedom of the City of London. Generally, this comes with a high price tag - which is then devoted to the charitable purposes of the guild. Perhaps the article should reflect this change over time. Kbthompson (talk) 09:02, 16 April 2008
point taken. but the pewterers were, historically, very active in the 'regulation of trade', with numerous controversies.e.g.,composition of the product, pseudohallmarks, etc.Toyokuni3 (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Coat of arms
[edit]I've removed the duplicated part of the crest blazon from the arms as it was obviously gobblydegook. I couldn't figure out where the "arms embowed proper" were supposed to go and "seeded" is not an adjective I've come across in heraldry before. I'm also unconvinced that "proper" has a well established conventional definition in relation to a seahorse (the Company portrays it as a light sea blue).
More seriously, this blazon contradicts the Company's own literature (e.g. a pdf linked on their website), where rather than alembics it has strakes, which are directly related to the smelting of tin. Alembics seem more like something for a company of chemists. (Additionally, the seahorses are referred to as "hippocampi", contrary to the modern convention that that word means the real creature.) The arms as illustrated in the pdf might be blazoned as follows: Azure on a chevron Or between three strakes Argent three roses Gules. Hairy Dude (talk) 02:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Heraldry Wiki has more information, including some historical arms, though I don't know the copyright status of those images. Hairy Dude (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)