Talk:Worldwide Communion of Catholic Apostolic Churches

American Church

Hmm...so who is really the American Church for ICAN??? No one can seem to give a striaght or honest answer.

The history of the American churches with ICAN has certainly been confusing and twisted, and sad. Hopefully with Dom Josivaldo at the helm as president of the Brazilian church now (with Dom Luis still as patriarch but more in a father-figure role), the communion will come to a more stable and better grounded place. Timotheos 17:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Since when is the Goede Herder a member thereof? I looked for this information on their respective websites, and I found... nothing! - Waelsch 00:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC) This article lacks neutrality and is written like a panflet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jandroral (talk • contribs) 00:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Good question - I don't know. If we can't get confirmation, this should be deleted, since Wikipedia has a verifiability rule. Timotheos 19:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

There are 2 provinces of the Communion that were founding members that are in the Unites States , the Mexican National Catholic Church and the Evangelican Charismatic Catholic Communion both of which are opposed to Eduardo Aguirre placing himself as president of the communion and dictator of all action. The communion is doomed with a former Roman Catholic priest who was fired from Rome and excommunicated by the pope, as head of the communion. The Bible says,"Unless God builds the house, the builder builds in vain." There will be a meeting of the communion in Fort Worth , Texas the first week of June, Monday-Wednesday where Aguiree and his liberal agenda will be dealt with. All Bishops in Apostolic succession are invited to attend , only member jurisdictions will be able to vote, but all imput that is of the Lord will be welcome and good churches, well organized and serving the Lord will be invited to join the communion. The official ICAN website is down now. It was formerly maintained by the Catholic Apostolic National Church, U.S., but as of August 10 it has been taken down. The article's references linking to this website have been updated.

Sure would be nice to know who wrote the above paragraph. Also, about the article itself, it's lacking a single reference. That's not good. --Deselms (talk) 05:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

WCCAC, Old Catholics, Orthodox

What is the difference between the WCCAC and the Old Catholics, and the PNC, and the Mariavites, and the Orthodox? Are they in communion with them? If not, why not? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 22:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

CICAM-WCCAC 2008

CICAM is Comunión Mundial de Iglesias Católicas Apostólicas.

In 2008, there were several edits by what looks like WP:SPAs. It looks like there was a power struggle c. 2008. Three websites made claims about CICAM-WCCAC in 2008–2009, icergua.org, igrejabrasileira.com.br, and mncc.net.

• The page www.icergua.org/cicamwccac/ was the WCCAC page according to a 2008 ICAB newsletter (but an incorrect URL www.icergua.org/cicam.wccac instead of www.icergua.org/cicamwccac/) and

icergua.org page was linked from mncc.net homepage in 2008 (but an incorrect URL www.icergua.org/cicam.wccac/id4.html instead of www.icergua.org/cicamwccac/)

• The circa January 2009 mncc.net homepage changed that link from the icergua.org page to a igrejabrasileira.com.br CICAM page created in 2009
• The circa April 2009 mncc.net homepage changed that link again to an internal mncc.net CICAM-WCCAC page although the igrejabrasileira.com.br CICAM page remained until 2012. The affiliations found in the internal mncc.net CICAM-WCCAC page do not correspond to the affiliations found in either the igrejabrasileira.com.br CICAM page or the 2008 ICAB newsletter.

In 2007 the homepage of mncc.net stated that "The Mexican National Catholic Church: A member church of the Old Catholic Church Corp." In 2008 the homepage of mncc.net stated that it was "a member of the Worldwide Communion of Catholic Apostolic Churches". According to the Orthodox Christians in North America 1794–1994, reprinted on the Orthodox Church in America website (oca.org), The Orthodox Church in America Diocese of Mexico "was created through the mass conversion (some 10,000 persons) of the entire Mexican National Catholic Church to Orthodoxy in 1972," (here) and oca.org, links to ocamexico.org and not to mncc.net. The website mncc.net contains assertions that do not conform to reality, examples include:

• that "The Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarchate of Moscow" was a member church in 2009 of CICAM-WCCAC and names two purported ROC archbishops (here and here)
• that the "Mexican National Catholic Church" was "founded 1790 by the Roman Catholic Church" (here) although that contradicts Religions of the world which dates its founding to the 1920s

According to mncc.net, "The Communion has an Educational network to promote Christian Education and High Education: Oxford Educational Network," (here), which according to John Bear, in the 2012 edition of Degree mills: the billion-dollar industry that has sold over a million fake diplomas, is an "unrecognized accrediting organization" (here). A google search of forum sites is interesting to read but doesn't lead to anything reliable. The "internationally accredited school" described on mncc.net is not found on the Texas Education Agency's Map of Texas Charter Schools.

References

–BoBoMisiu (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2015 (UTC); modified 16:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Statutes

@Wkharrisjr: nice edit – but the content added in 2009 that references CICAM statutes on icergua.org at the Wayback Machine (archived March 30, 2009) is no longer found in Google searches, e.g. Google search: "CICAM profesa firme e íntegramente" and Google search: "CICAM reconoce que únicamente los cristianos varones", All that content may be outdated. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 23:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Recent updates

I have done some edits recently. In summary: I have dramatically shortened and merged some very wordy sentences and paragraphs and tried to throw out as much of the unsourced, unreferenced stuff as possible. I have added sources and citations. The list of member churches was quite a mess - the wrong Mexican church was linked, and the actual member church not mentioned (possibly because of someone not wanting to highlight the anti-gay anti-women stances?). There was / is so much unsourced material and still no evidence that WCCAC still exists - no website, in 2019? Vintage-vintner (talk) 13:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

Some totally unsourced and unreferenced garbage was added last year, specifically:

"The World Communion of Catholic Apostolic Churches is still very active when it comes to Europe and most especially to Archbishop Gioacchino Collica who is presently leading the Catholic Apostolic Church of Europe with its headquater in Germany. His Exzellency Archbishop Collica who has been with ICAB however has been Incardinated into the Worldwide Communion of Cathilic Apostolic Churches by Most Revd. Mons. Jose Sanchez, the Archbishop of the Catholic Apostolic Church in America as well as by the Most Revd. Msgr. Ricardo Rodriguez, the Secretary to the Congregation of the Faith. Work continues with high speed as there has been the recently formation of a new religious order as well as several paszoral visits into other countrys, including Cameroon which will be visites in January."

I suggest using a good spellcheck. And.. sources? I have restored the SOURCED and REFERENCED text that was wiped.

Vintage-vintner (talk) 11:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)