Talk:World War II casualties/Archives/2016/February

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2016

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|align=left| Finland^P || 3,700,000^[1] || 95,000^[2] || 2,000^[3] || ||97,000 || 2.30 84.208.82.193 (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Done here-[1] --Woogie10w (talk) 11:55, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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References

^ Cite error: The named reference Population Statistics was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ National Defence College (1994), Jatkosodan historia 6, Porvoo. ISBN 951-0-15332-X
^ Gregory Frumkin. Population Changes in Europe Since 1939, Geneva 1951. pp. 58–59
^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#cite_note-National_Defence_College_1994-42 Military dead include killed and missing from the Winter War and Continuation War with the Soviet Union, as well as action against German forces in 1944–45. Winter War (1939–40) losses were 22,830, military deaths from 1941–44 were 58,715, and 1,036 in 1944–45 in the Lapland War.[42] The Finnish National Archives website lists the names of the 95,000 Finnish war dead. The war dead database 1939-1945 includes all servicemen and women who died during being listed in the Finnish army, navy or the air force. It also includes foreign volunteers who died during their service in Finland and Finnish SS-men who died while serving in the German army.The database contains civilians in case they have been buried at a military cemetery. That was sometimes done if the deceased was, for example, an ammunition worker, air raid victim or a civilian worker who for some other reason died because of the war. Some parishes continued burying in second world war military cemeteries up to the 1980s.[351] Soviet sources list the deaths of 403 of the 2,377 Finnish POW taken in the War.[352] During the Winter war of 1939–40 the Swedish Volunteer Corps served alongside the Finns in combat. 1,407 Finnish volunteers served in the Finnish Volunteer Battalion of the Waffen-SS and 256 were killed in action.[353] Civilian war dead were 2,000,[43] due in part to the bombing of Helsinki in World War II.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2016

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Remove comments "Included with the Soviet and German Armies" from Lithuania and Latvia in "total death" table. That information not in source (e-source you can download from link http://eknigi.org/istorija/122302-poteri-narodonaseleniya-v-xx-veke.html). This comments suggests the wrong idea that the civilian death from Russian army comparable to the civilian death from Germany. Require special confirmation that the loss is comparable.

quote from source: Литва

   потери мирного населения8                                                     345,0
      погибло от военных действий                                               25,0
      казнено и убито                                                                     230,0
      заключено в тюрьмы и лагеря                                             110,0
      угнано на работу в Германию                                               70,0
        из них погибло                                                                     15,0
      умерло от голода и болезней                                                75,0                                           
      эмиграция9                                                                              50,0

Hance (talk) 11:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

The article is correct, no change is necessary. The comments "Included with the Soviet and German Armies" from Lithuania and Latvia are in the source. The table in the article breaks out civilian and military dead. On page 29 the Erlikman breaks out civilian and military deaths, in footnote 5 he notes that the military dead are included in the Soviet and German Armies. I have a hard copy of the source Vadim Erlikman. Poteri narodonaseleniia v XX veke. If there is a dispute I will provide a jpg of the page in the Poteri narodonaseleniia for support.--Woogie10w (talk) 12:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, i would like to see your scancopy, please. That i see in e-copy on page 29: http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/22915/2518KLwI0AG4Uu/1120389w.png footnote 5: Немцы добровольно выехали из Прибалтики и Украины в Германию. См. 19, с. 166. Hance (talk) 15:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Footnote 5 does not deal with military casualties- The Russian reads Germans of free will deported from Baltic and Ukraine, Source 19 is Historical Atlas of East Central Europe. --Woogie10w (talk) 15:22, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Hance send me an email at berndd11222@gmail.com and I will send jpg of the pages 28/29. --Woogie10w (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

On page 28 Latvia look see footnotes 6 &7 on Page 29 Lithuania see footnotes 5&6.--Woogie10w (talk) 15:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Closing this based on the comments by Woogie10w. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 16:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

WW2 Casualties Chart

Hello, since I do not know whether User:TheShadowed is still around (the last messages on his talk page date back to 2008), I would like to make you aware that this chart of his: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/World_War_II_Casualties.svg/2000px-World_War_II_Casualties.svg.png, which is linked on a lot of wiki pages of all languages, is grossly inaccurate regarding Italy: as one can see on World War II casualties, Italian casualties were 319,000 military and 153,000 civilians, overall 472,000, that is slightly less than Romania which lost 500,000 military and civilians. But in the chart, it appears as if Italian overall casualties were just slightly more than half of the Romanian casualties; it seems this comes from underestimate of Italian civilian casualties. By the way, I noticed that in the chart Hungarian overall casualties look smaller than Romanian, while in reality they were greater (Hungary, 564,000; Romania, 500,000).--188.152.113.51 (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I moved the above comments from my talk page since I do not have a clue about the charts. I guy from Denmark did them 10 years ago.--Woogie10w (talk) 17:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

[Population_Statistics-1] Cite error: The named reference Population Statistics was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[National_Defence_College_1994-2] National Defence College (1994), Jatkosodan historia 6, Porvoo. ISBN 951-0-15332-X

[Gregory_Frumkin_1951._pp._58-3] Gregory Frumkin. Population Changes in Europe Since 1939, Geneva 1951. pp. 58–59

[4] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#cite_note-National_Defence_College_1994-42 Military dead include killed and missing from the Winter War and Continuation War with the Soviet Union, as well as action against German forces in 1944–45. Winter War (1939–40) losses were 22,830, military deaths from 1941–44 were 58,715, and 1,036 in 1944–45 in the Lapland War.[42] The Finnish National Archives website lists the names of the 95,000 Finnish war dead. The war dead database 1939-1945 includes all servicemen and women who died during being listed in the Finnish army, navy or the air force. It also includes foreign volunteers who died during their service in Finland and Finnish SS-men who died while serving in the German army.The database contains civilians in case they have been buried at a military cemetery. That was sometimes done if the deceased was, for example, an ammunition worker, air raid victim or a civilian worker who for some other reason died because of the war. Some parishes continued burying in second world war military cemeteries up to the 1980s.[351] Soviet sources list the deaths of 403 of the 2,377 Finnish POW taken in the War.[352] During the Winter war of 1939–40 the Swedish Volunteer Corps served alongside the Finns in combat. 1,407 Finnish volunteers served in the Finnish Volunteer Battalion of the Waffen-SS and 256 were killed in action.[353] Civilian war dead were 2,000,[43] due in part to the bombing of Helsinki in World War II.

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