Talk:Working Men's College

Notable associates:

‘Notable associates’ are those who have achieved notability most often beyond the confines of the College, either before, during, or after association. Those who just happened to study at, work at, or work for the College are associated, but not necessarily ‘notable.’

There seems to have been a tendency for those who just happen to, at the moment sit, or to have previously sat, on committees to have their names added as ‘notable’. Even if a person works as a professional in some capacity beyond the College this doesn’t automatically entitle that person to be considered as ‘notable’ unless achievements above and beyond the normal can be independently demonstrated, verified, and linked-to. Further, the addition of names within ‘Notable associates’ that demonstrate no verifiable notability could be seen as self-serving, impinging on Wikipedia’s guidelines concerning a neutral point of view, (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view), and bringing the whole article into disrepute.

To be notable, a person should also have such verifiable achievement that would warrant a Wikipedia article in his/her own right. A notable person could also be someone whose importance is demonstrated by links and citations beyond Wikipedia, such as with significant published articles about or by the person concerned, showing their importance above and beyond what might be considered as part of their normal personal or employment activities. Where someone is ennobled, or has gained significant national honours, (letters,) notability might be assumed even if there are no obvious links to this notability.

Please refer to Wikipedia’s guide to Wikipedia:Notability that applies to whole articles and their sections. Acabashi (talk) 18:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

• Indicators of 'Growth':

There is an assertion of student growth within the article suggesting success, but with no citation for proof, no indication as to the historic base-line for this asserted growth, and no indication as to how this growth is measured with veracity. Acabashi (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

• A new article section for recent past accomplishments added; it is (perhaps temporarily) headed thus as the only content is about acheivement. Previous text “Although the College remains one of the smallest of the adult education providers in the area it has seen growth, now having around 4000 students” has been Wiki-fied to remove its present tense (make future-proof) and apparent promotional aspect: see Wikipedia Conflict of Interest and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The view that the College is “of the smallest” is not contentious, although it would hardly be worth attachment to another claim about growth unless implication was meant to be taken about the standing of the College... hence suspicion of promotion and conflict of interest. As the sentence stands it is (as previously) inadequate. Could someone fat-out the statement to make it more informative?

Current standing of the College can be expressed with verified quotes or information found elsewhere; any quote made or document written is automatically historic and might be used subject to Wikipedia:Verifiability. However, unless there is commitment to constant vigilance, care should be taken over quoting from (linking to) text written directly into web pages; pages can change, making links obsolete and references unverified, thereby contributions becoming liable for removal. References to hard copy (and links to where these are held) are preferable. The official web site of an institution might not, and others that promote it such as blogs and forums cannot, be seen as a viable, stable, and reliable sources for evidence; again Wikipedia Conflict of Interest and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

To Wikify the article (after further research and additions) I propose the breaking down the body of the text, removing old sections and adding new sections that cover (but not necessarily named as): introductory paras; pre 1854 (reasons and inspiration for inception); 1854-1900; 1900-1950; 1950-2000; 2000-onwards. Additions in the presently/temporarily-named sections College accomplishments post 2000 and Crowndale Road building post 2000 will then be seen as part of an historic flow. Help, input, and contributions from other users/editors, preferably registered, would be useful to the article. Could someone add further verifiable recent past achievements in the College accomplishments post 2000 section? But be aware, Wikipedia is not a site for the presentation of original reseach Wikipedia:No original research. Acabashi (talk) (July 2010)

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because the ambiguous promotional link under 'courses' was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.92.70 (talk) 14:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Location

'Where it is' should appear early on in the main text. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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