Talk:Workers' Front (Croatia)

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because...the initiative as such is rather new, but it is relevant, and as proof I'm providing articles about it published on major croatian news sites in just last 3 days; http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/osnovana-radnicka-fronta-ako-treba-spremni-smo-i-za-revoluciju/787489.aspx http://www.novilist.hr/Komentari/Radnicka-fronta-tko-konta-konta http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Spektar/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/266973/Default.aspx

and a minor one http://kaportal.hr/radnicka-fronta-birac and one from neighboring Bosnia and Herzegovina http://www.bizlife.rs/vesti/74582-hrvatskom-se-siri-front-izmedju-radnika-i-sistema

--Endomite (talk) 23:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because of the significant domestic media coverage, for example:

• Novi list: I mi možemo! (full version for subscribers only), Radnička fronta – tko konta, konta
• Slobodna Dalmacija: Damir Pilić: SYRIZA, Podemos, Radnička fronta
• Index.hr: Osnovana Radnička fronta: "Ako treba, spremni smo i za revoluciju"

just to name the few. Though, this article needs some work and those references should be incorporated. Feon {^t/_c} 10:53, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... Radnička fronta is a new, yet important force on the Croatian political scene which has quickly established its relevance and engaged a large number of citizens, with branches now in several parts of Croatia. The article length is in accordance with its established importance to date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.60.123.171 (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because croatian Worker's Front is connecting with other left political movements and political organisations around Europe and has contacts with english speaking workers --188.252.196.101 (talk) 07:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2020

Electoral history should be updated with the following previous election data added 2015 Croatian Parliamentary elections - 1,423 total votes, 0.06% of total votes, 0 seats, no coalition - https://www.izbori.hr/arhiva-izbora/#/app/parlament-2015 (districts I, VI and VIII)

2019 European Parliament elections in Croatia - 2,622 total votes, 0.24% of total votes, 0 seats, coalition with the Socialist Labour Party of Croatia - https://www.izbori.hr/arhiva-izbora/#/app/eu-parlament-2019

Kronos222 (talk) 21:46, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done the source that you provided did not say what you said above. Trains2050 (talk) 10:31, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

It's impossible to link directly to results in specific districts and those parameters need to be selected on the page itself - Workers' Front is listed as 'RF' on the results page for the I., III. and VII. electoral districts ('izborna jedinica' on the page). The vote numbers are simply their votes from these three districts added up, the percentage is their percentage of valid votes cast in that election and seats are self-explanatory.

The same goes for European elections, Workers' Front is listed as 'RF' again, running on the same list with SRP. Votes and percentages are listed for the whole list, seats (or lack of, to be precise) is, again, self-explanatory. The sources for both are valid, they're from the national election commission and are official results for these elections. Kronos222 (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See WP:SYNTH: Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Asking other editors to search through electoral data to tally up a particular party's electoral history falls under the bounds of that combination. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Position

ArianJD, in the three sources you added, I don't see a mention of them being "left-wing". Here is another source from April 2020 from balkaninsight, quote "radical left-wing Radnicka Fronta (Workers’ Front) party" [1]. Do I really need to take this to RSN? I somehow doubt they will say that two articles from balkaninsight and a Routledge book are not good enough sources. Tezwoo (talk) 22:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

First you need to stop edit warring. Second you need to stop misinterpreting the sources. You have been reverted by multiple users on multiple articles. This all seems to be about the addition that Miroslav Škoro Homeland Movement is also far-right and now Tezwoo as a real Sith is seeking revenge with lies and deceptions. --Tuvixer (talk) 06:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Dude, shining a projector commemorating victims of fascism is not something that makes you a radical left-winger. Also, balkaninsight is not the authority that can discredit multiple accounts from other media specifically addressing the positions of the party in question. In the current article it just calls them "radical left-wing" but that's all, they don't elaborate and disprove other articles going more into the meritum of things that I provided. Your previous sources were not only tangential, but used outdated information. One concerning a member saying radical things that has, since then, been removed from the organization for his public actions being too radical and, hence, not representative of the interests of the Workers' Front. The second source was from 2016. Time does not freeze or adjust to whatever it is you're trying to prove. Time goes on, and with time people and organizations change, as did the Workers' Front in this case. Nobody is disputing the radical nature of the party during and shortly after its inception, the vast amount of evidence is beyond doubt. However, that has been shown to be a mark of its past as it shifted towards appealing to liberal voters by purging its "anti-capitalist elements" and replacing them with "anti-establishment rhetoric." They are now openly advocating reformist policy and have implemented programs advocating democratic socialism, that is, a more firm social-democratic set of policies aimed at stuff like reforming tax policy, defending public health care and urging people to get involved in voting for the "proper positions" that will "be the voice of the workers in parliament." I really dislike having to be this blunt, but if you knew anything about the nuances of left-wing political theory, you'd be able to easily assert they are not a radical left-wing party, as have many other users working on this article. Distancing yourself from socialism and anti-capitalism is the hallmark of moderate left-wing policy, and it's only a few remaining marks from its past, as well as populist rhetoric in a power vacuum eager for more radical options, that are holding them from being a regular old center left option. --Arian JD (talk) 12:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Your source number one, International Socialist, is an interview, which we don't use for statements of fact (see WP:INTERVIEW).

The 2nd source, Libertarijanska ljevica , is a blog. Per WP:BLOGS, blogs are not reliable sources on Wikipedia.

The 3rd source, Glas Istre, is again an interview (WP:INTERVIEW again). Neither of the two interviews says that the party is left-wing and not radical, anyway.

On the other hand, we have two articles from Balkan Insight that call the party radical left (one from 2018 "Workers’ Front, a radical left political party"- and one from 2020 -"radical left-wing Radnicka Fronta (Workers’ Front) party"). The site uses that definition in their own voice, and not because of a single member of because of their action regarding WW2 victims. A recent discussion at Reliable sources/Noticeboard made it clear that Balkan Insight is a reliable source. There is also a book published by Routledge that lists the party under radical left parties, and other recent sources don't indicate that something changed lately.

Of these recent sources, there is an analysys on Counterfire.org, from 6 July 2020, that calls the party radical left and far-left. An article on index.hr from 1 July 2020 called the party extreme-left ("pred izbore traži podršku za ekstremnu ljevicu"). An article from Jutarnji.hr on 17 June also called the party extreme-left ("ekstremnu ljevicu poput Radničke fronte")

So those are six sources, five of which are certainly reliable, spanning from 2016 to 2020, which call the party radical or extreme left. Tezwoo (talk) 21:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

RSN

The advice at the Reliable sources noticeboard was to use the Routledge book and the Balkan Insight articles (which say far left), rather than the blog and two interviews, or Counterfire. Tezwoo (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

ljiljana nikolovska

Her describing what she thinks dem socialism is of no relevant because that is not the position of the party which asks the abolition of private property and democratic control over the means of production 141.136.137.148 (talk) 18:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)