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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gender

I just finished reading the Complete Peanuts from 1966 to 1971 and I can't find any instance where a bird that Snoopy talks to is referred to as a female. Snoopy always says "he" when talking to these birds that may or may not be Woodstock. 99.149.192.118 (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)Juney Jean[reply]

Hi. There is a female bird called 'harriet' who joins the beagle scouts. She also gets married to bill. Snoopy may refer to her as a female. Thanks, --Canti60 (talk) 10:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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March 22, or May 22?

Here is the comic strip for May 22, 1966. The one for March 22 is a conversation between Charlie Brown and Shermy during school lunch (the bench scene, if you're familiar). Have we mixed these dates up? I'd change it, but the cite is a reliable source and I don't want to start an edit war.

Thank you,

AuburnAttack21 (talk) 02:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Named after Woodstock Music & Art Fair in 1969?

The article says that Schulz named Woodstock after the Woodstock concert. It also says that he named him on March 22, 1966. The Woodstock concert didn't happen until August 1969. How did he name the bird "Woodstock" in honor of the concert in 1966, three and a half years BEFORE the concert? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsguy (talk • contribs) 17:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I found the correct date (June 22, 1970) and fixed it.

Other birds

There was 1 strip where one of the birds is called Wilson by Snoopy. I'm not sure of the date as I've been going through Peanuts online. It was some time after the strips where Bill and Harriet got married and the December 31, 1986 strip (the one where I was at when I read this article). Jtyroler (talk) 22:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is woodstock left-handed?

Hi. I saw in the article it says that Woodstock is left handed. I googled this and couldn't find anything. Can anyone find anything to back this up> Thanks, --Canti60 (talk) 10:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First appearance

In the artcile, we have:

in the Peanuts daily comic strip on March 3, 1966, a mother bird flew in while Snoopy was lying on top of his doghouse. She chose Snoopy's stomach like a good place to make her nest, and Snoopy thinks "Why does this always happen to me?" She then lays two eggs and flies away, leaving Snoopy alone with the nest. Two chicks hatch and one of them becomes Woodstock. One year later, Woodstock arrives on Snoopy in the April 4, 1967

So why is the "first appearance" date in the infobox given as April 4, 1967? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Species

The second paragraph of the Species section, claiming that all Woodstock's friends are the same species and delving into suspicions of why Woodstock has trouble flying appears to be all original research and should probably be struck. I will not do so myself, as I have a COI from working on licensed Peanuts projects, but others may wish to review and consider whether that material should be deleted. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First appearance date is controversial

@PianoPianoPiano: I understand replacing the listed first appearance date with the sourced you use. However, that date is controversial and contradicted - and I can point to as a source The Snoopy Treasures, a book which I wrote myself but which was licensed from Peanuts Worldwide and checked by Charles M. Schulz Creative Associates, where, on page 89, you'll find a section on Woodstock explaining that he was one of the baby birds born on Snoopy's stomach on March 4, 1966. Further rightsholder-approved materials issued since my book have also reflected that version of events (such as the children's book Snoopy and Woodstock: Best Friends Forever!) So at best the 1967 date should be listed as of some controversy. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC):[reply]

If that's not enough, check this Twitter discussion. In it, you will find not just me (writer of five approved books on Peanuts, including The Snoopy Treasures mentioned above) noting the problem with the date, but also Benjamin L. Clark, curator at The Charles M. Schulz Museum (who is citing Schulz making a reference to a scene from the 1966 date) and Andrew Farago, author of the book we are currently using as source for the 1967 date! This should, at the very least, be enough to note that the date is debated. I will not add that myself, due to both my COI and to my retirement from article editing, but I ask that others look at this and evaluate this, updating if correct. --Nat Gertler (talk) 00:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow

Woodstock is so cool Ermmmmmwhatthescallop (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woodstock's "real name"

In a recent edit, someone added the claim that "Jonathan Livingston Woodstock" is the character's full name. While this term is stated in a 1973 strip, it seems quite unlikely that Schulz intended this to be seen as the bird's actual name. Rather, Snoopy is sarcastically contrasting Woodstock with the lead character in Jonathan Livingston Seagull, a bird who succeeds in trying to fly far better than is expected from his species (much as you might say to someone who just took an unwise action "good going, Einstein" without actually suggesting that their name is Einstein.) Neither "Jonathan" nor "Livingston" is ever mentioned again in the strip, no Peanuts reference work that I've ever seen (or written) cites that as his name. If some editor who does not have a conflict of interest with regard to this page could review the edit and remove if deemed appropriate, that would be for the best. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 04:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed – given Woodstock's flying abilities (or lack thereof), that was most likely sarcasm. I have undone the edit. –FlyingAce^✈hello 04:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woodstock poster reference

Where we suggest that Woodstock was inspired by the bird on the music festival poster, we might want to include an image of the poster. Nat Gertler (talk) 20:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woodstock's first appearance

@Toughpigs: you just deleted a reference to Woodstock's first appearance, claiming that the March 4, 1966 strip is two different birds.

Charles Schulz disagrees. Per him in his article "What do you do with a dog that doesn't talk?" TV Guide, Feb. 23, 1980, pg. 26: "Woodstock came out of nowhere. Originally he was not a male. He was one of two undifferentiated little birds born in a nest on Snoopy's stomach ..."

At this Twitter thread, you can find the March 4 date supported by three people who likely all meet our WP:SPS standards for usage: myself, Benjamin L. Clark (curator of the Schulz Museum and fellow award-winning writer of a Schulz biography), and Andrew Farago (curator of the Cartoon Art Museum who wrote the book we are currently using as reference for the date) agreeing with our analysis. You can find the March 4th date in my officially licensed book The Snoopy Treasures. This date should be taking precedence, not deleted. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I've added that date back to the page. Toughpigs (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ToughPigs: I wonder if you might consider correcting the date in the introduction text as well, to match the infobox.

The character first appeared in the March 4, 1966, strip, though he was not given a name until June 22, 1970.^[1]

References

^ Gertler, Nat (2015). The Snoopy Treasures. Thunder Bay Press. p. 89-90. ISBN 1626864403.

I'm avoiding doing it myself, both for my general COI and the concerns about the reference, but it's probably the best reference to confirm the date. (I'm also rewriting around the "officially named" statement, as it suggests he had some sort of unofficial name or nickname.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 00:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, no problem. Toughpigs (talk) 01:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plumage match vs. non-migration

Is there room for a note that while Woodstock and Harriet's closest plumage matches are the male and female, respectively, of the yellow warbler (Setophaga petechia in the family Parulidae), they nonetheless do not migrate as real-life yellow warblers do?-Tawaki (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, we write according to information in reliable sources. Has anyone written about Woodstock's specific species? If not, then your conclusion that he's a yellow warbler is "original research" -- see WP:OR for an explanation of why original research doesn't belong on the site.

There was actually a series of strips in which Snoopy and Woodstock tried to figure out what type of bird Woodstock is, unsuccessfully. See this post from the Schulz Museum for an example. Schulz wasn't trying to accurately portray any bird species in particular. Toughpigs (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Gertler, Nat (2015). The Snoopy Treasures. Thunder Bay Press. p. 89-90. ISBN 1626864403.

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